Vilander Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 10 hours ago, bowl_out said: He technique looks very tight.. High elbows, looks to play straight.. very textbook, but that reduces his range.. like I said before, I've never seem him play through the covers / point. His runs mostly come down the ground or through mid-wicket, and square of the wicket against spinners... but rarely through off-drives he is reducing error range by not having any lateral shots, when there is lateral movement helps preserve wicket. Thats what i liked about his NZ innings, i thought he would be unsure, try and tonk and score like 30 odd turnouts he can bat lots of balls. rkt.india 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 40 minutes ago, putrevus said: If Binny played in England instead of Pandya, he would have picked up more wickets.Binny is proper swing bowler who would exploited conditions far better than Pandya. He has best odi figures for India. Binny is no slouch as a batsman compared to Pandya. Don't make Pandya into Gary Sobers , he has single FC hundred that too due to bashing a hapless spinner. Binny is just not quick enough to trouble English batsmen on those pitches. He did play on last tour, could barely bowl few overs even and conditions were pretty good for pacers last time too. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 44 minutes ago, putrevus said: If Binny played in England instead of Pandya, he would have picked up more wickets.Binny is proper swing bowler who would exploited conditions far better than Pandya. He has best odi figures for India. Why dont u guys check some stats before quotting , binny did play in 2014 and was toothless In eng Pandya avg 24.70 with ball and s/r of 38 Binny has no avg n s/r coz he didnt pick a single wkt in 3 test he played, so binny was pathetic and pandya has a damn good outswinger ye hota to wo hota, jab tha to kuch kiya nhin zen, rkt.india and Vilander 1 2 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 24 minutes ago, Vilander said: thats down to ability. but he is near epic in Indian conditions. its funny to say some one else will be ahead of him in the 11 for bowling in home games. Even in home conditions, he has not been the same bowler since England tour in 2016 and Jaddu has outbowled him. Link to comment
Vilander Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Even in home conditions, he has not been the same bowler since England tour in 2016 and Jaddu has outbowled him. so you are saying he does not start in 11 ? whats your point. Link to comment
Vilander Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Why dont u guys check some stats before quotting , binny did play in 2014 and was toothless In eng Pandya avg 24.70 with ball and s/r of 38 Binny has no avg n s/r coz he didnt pick a single wkt in 3 test he played, so binny was pathetic and pandya has a damn good outswinger ye hota to wo hota, jab tha to kuch kiya nhin its riddiculous to compare binny and pandya as a bowler. lol Pandya is an actual fast bowler. and the guy can hit at will, its just simple tribal hate. zen 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 straightforward stat. Matches involving Ashwin. Ashwin stats ( sorry for derailment) Away ( outside of Asia). http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;continent=1;continent=3;continent=4;continent=5;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;orderby=wickets;player_involve=12894;spanmax1=07+Feb+2019;spanmin1=07+Feb+2018;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling Home http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=wickets;player_involve=12894;spanmax1=07+Feb+2019;spanmin1=07+Feb+2018;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling Link to comment
putrevus Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Vilander said: Pandya looks a good bowler ( borderline some one who can be picked since he can tonk runs). Shankar looks a good batsman, if he geneuinly bats well in swing seam conditions he will play as a batsman. Neither of them are really bits and pieces. Bits and pieces are players who do not complete any one role fully. I don't think Pandya is a good bowler. Link to comment
putrevus Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 39 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Binny is just not quick enough to trouble English batsmen on those pitches. He did play on last tour, could barely bowl few overs even and conditions were pretty good for pacers last time too. Because Dhoni did not have any trust in him. Dhoni had no idea why he played him.He would not have done worse than Pandya. Link to comment
putrevus Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 35 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Why dont u guys check some stats before quotting , binny did play in 2014 and was toothless In eng Pandya avg 24.70 with ball and s/r of 38 Binny has no avg n s/r coz he didnt pick a single wkt in 3 test he played, so binny was pathetic and pandya has a damn good outswinger ye hota to wo hota, jab tha to kuch kiya nhin He just did not bowl enough to get wickets, Dhoni had no idea why he was playing.This time wickets were very condusive to bowlers like him even Sam Curran got wickets, Binny is better bowler than him. I don't see much difference in Pandya or Binny. Both are bits and pieces players .Pandya is better hitter of spinners. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, putrevus said: He just did not bowl enough to get wickets, Dhoni had no idea why he was playing.This time wickets were very condusive to bowlers like him even Sam Curran got wickets, Binny is better bowler than him. 32 overs and still cnt get a wkts ....pandya has a s/r of 38 means a wkt every 38 balls that means in 6.2 overs SO binny cnt takes wkts in 32 overs and pandya took wkts every 6.2 overs wah..... Bhuvi took one after another fifer under dhoni on same tour ishant took a 7 wkt haul under same dhoni Pandya has a lot of quality as a bowler, if u can look beyond ur ignorance look at his 5 wkt spell in 6 overs not a joke to get that . Quote I don't see much difference in Pandya or Binny. Both are bits and pieces players .Pandya is better hitter of spinners. Binny bowled at 125, Pandya is around 135-142k ...........huge huge diff Pandya is hit the deck kind of bowler n can bowl gr8 outswing, binny was more of release the ball in air and could only swing not seam the ball Pandya is one of the best potentials, binny was mediocrity at best Edited February 7, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03 zen 1 Link to comment
bowl_out Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 10 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said: Is he a T20 player? Okay to give him a run in ODIs but not in T20s. Has a mediocre T20 record and has not done much in IPL either. I would much rather see guys Surya Yadav, who has a decent record playing at 5-6-7 in IPL to be given chances. A lot of our T20 players bat in top 3 for their IPL teams and struggle to bat in lower middle order. Better to give chance to guys who bat at those positions for their franchises. He is not a T20 player. His current T20 run is most likely to give him and a few others game time to evaluate WC options Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, putrevus said: Because Dhoni did not have any trust in him. Dhoni had no idea why he played him.He would not have done worse than Pandya. Same pandya took a MOM for his bowling on his debut under dhoni only, get ur facts right zen 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: 32 overs and still cnt get a wkts ....pandya has a s/r of 38 means a wkt every 38 balls that means in 6.2 overs SO binny cnt takes wkts in 32 overs and pandya took wkts every 6.2 overs wah..... Bhuvi took one after another fifer under dhoni on same tour ishant took a 7 wkt haul under same dhoni Pandya has a lot of quality as a bowler, if u can look beyond ur ignorance look at his 5 wkt spell in 6 overs not a joke to get that . Binny bowled at 125, Pandya is around 135-142k ...........huge huge diff Pandya is hit the deck kind of bowler n can bowl gr8 outswing, binny was more of release the ball in air and could only swing not seam the ball Pandya is one of the best potentials, binny was mediocrity at best I don't think so , Pandya is not better bowler than Binny in right conditions. Pandya is not 140 plus bowler, bowling once 142 does not make any bowler 140 plus bowler. The same Dhoni ground Bhuvi to death and made him ineffective after three innings.Same Dhoni made sure Ishant was injured by making bowl short pitch for whole session even though we won the battle we lost the war due to Dhoni destroying those two for whole series. Edited February 7, 2019 by putrevus Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, putrevus said: I don't think so , Pandya is not better bowler than Binny in right conditions. Pandya is not 140 plus bowler, bowling once 142 does not make any bowler 140 plus bowler. pandya bowled faster then every england bowler in that series as shown Pandya has even clocked 146k pandya bowls 135-142k kind of pace again m not surprised since ur facts are so wrong Quote The same Dhoni ground Bhuvi to death and made him ineffective after three innings.Same Dhoni made sure Ishant was injured by making bowl short pitch for whole session even though we won the battle we lost the war due to Dhoni destroying those two for whole series. bhuvi lack of fitness was a reason to, same bhuvi wont go through same as his fitness is on diff level Heard 1st time that someone got injured due to bowling short , any bowler will tell the hardest ball to bowl is yorker coz it takes more energy not short pitch Same guy who blames dhoni for these bowlers to break down has issue when we play all rounder for bowling cushion. Hello the reason we play all rounder to give our fast bowlers a breather Edited February 7, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03 zen 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: pandya bowled faster then every england bowler in that series as shown Pandya has even clocked 146k pandya bowls 135-142k kind of pace again m not surprised since ur facts are so wrong bhuvi lack of fitness was a reason to, same bhuvi wont go through same as his fitness is on diff level Heard 1st time that someone got injured due to bowling short , any bowler will tell the hardest ball to bowl is yorker coz it takes more energy not short pitch Same guy who blames dhoni for these bowlers to break down has issue when we play all rounder for bowling cushion. Hello the reason we play all rounder to give our fast bowlers a breather No we don't need to play bits and pieces players and call them relief bowlers to fast bowlers. I am not against all rounders, I am against bits and pieces players masquerading as allrounders. PS ask any fast bowler what is hard on their body .Yorker is hardest to bowl because it takes lot of skill to master it but it does not take same toll as short pitch bowling as you need to put in extra effort every time .If you don't understand ask and learn. Edited February 7, 2019 by putrevus Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, putrevus said: No we don't need to play bits and pieces players and call them relief bowlers to fast bowlers. I am not against all rounders, I am against bits and pieces players masquerading as allrounders. all rounder become all rounder over a time. Watch the great kallis record till 1st 20 matches it was a disastor The so called stokes n shakib were gr8 either, have patience before we label someone something Link to comment
putrevus Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: all rounder become all rounder over a time. Watch the great kallis record till 1st 20 matches it was a disastor The so called stokes n shakib were gr8 either, have patience before we label someone something Kallis had picture perfect technique while coming up, Kallis was school boy Prodigy who was destined to great things from school level.You are comparing him to Pandya r u kidding me? FYI I don't care about Pandya stats for 11 tests, Pandya can play 100 tests he won't become a top order batsmen who can command his place due to his batting. Who is Shakib, we have much better versions in Ashwin or Jadeja. Link to comment
flamy Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 12 hours ago, rkt.india said: what is AR? All rounder Link to comment
zen Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, putrevus said: FYI I don't care about Pandya stats for 11 tests, Pandya can play 100 tests he won't become a top order batsmen who can command his place due to his batting. why does Pandya need to be a top order batsman? Link to comment
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