New guy Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Umesh for whatever inconsistency has a wkt taking ability. With drier surfaces reverse comes in play and it has been a pattern with team mngmt they get in umesh for dry surfaces....it happ in WI also Gee, lets look at bhuvi strike rate and average in tests, shall we? Umesh has ghanta wicket taking ability, at max he will take 1 or 2 wickets an innings. Also bhuvi was bowling great reverse swing in the NZ series Link to comment
New guy Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 3 hours ago, King Tendulkar said: Then flat patta is great for us . Win toss . Pile on 600 . Win or draw then . Start series with a draw sounds great to me All our major losses happen on flat pattas as our bowling sucks on those pitches. Our win and drawn series in SA was in pitches with something in them GoldenSun 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 27 minutes ago, lamellavig said: Umesh is terrible on any pitch..he does not deserve to play. He is not inconsistent, he just lacks skill. Ishant is in better form over past 2 years. there is huge diff btw inconsistency and being terrible HE is far from terrible Lacks skill............hahahaha. A bowler with such pace, who has a good outswinger and can reverse lacks skill is funny adi B, Mosher, speedheat and 2 others 5 Link to comment
lamellavig Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: there is huge diff btw inconsistency and being terrible HE is far from terrible Lacks skill............hahahaha. A bowler with such pace, who has a good outswinger and can reverse lacks skill is funny This is why Indian pace bowling is in the doldrums, if you cannot agree that Umesh lacks skill given his record then I don't know what to say... Give a chance to a young pace bowler for god's sake. Looking at Umesh's record, no professional bowler can do worse! Link to comment
speedheat Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, lamellavig said: This is why Indian pace bowling is in the doldrums, if you cannot agree that Umesh lacks skill given his record then I don't know what to say... Give a chance to a young pace bowler for god's sake. Looking at Umesh's record, no professional bowler can do worse! What doldrums?? we are on the rise and pace bowling stock are at all time high, did You even watched umesh bowling from south Africa 2015 to Australia 2017?? the guy was consistent with both pace and performance, and yes he had all the skills pace, conventional swing, reverse swing, bounce, pinpoint yorkers etc. don't cook nonsense here based on your hatred King Tendulkar, Mosher and Laaloo 3 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, lamellavig said: This is why Indian pace bowling is in the doldrums, if you cannot agree that Umesh lacks skill given his record then I don't know what to say... Give a chance to a young pace bowler for god's sake. Looking at Umesh's record, no professional bowler can do worse! N whats wrong in his record Link to comment
speedheat Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 35 minutes ago, New guy said: Gee, lets look at bhuvi strike rate and average in tests, shall we? Umesh has ghanta wicket taking ability, at max he will take 1 or 2 wickets an innings. Also bhuvi was bowling great reverse swing in the NZ series What bhuvi?? Umesh still has better average 32 than bhuvi 37 in Odis , bhuvis average is better thn umesh in testmatches coz we played him on favourable conditions, he was helpless before increasing his pace. Link to comment
lamellavig Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: N whats wrong in his record Jesus Christ! So an average of 37 merits a place in Indian test team for you? Link to comment
lamellavig Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, speedheat said: What bhuvi?? Umesh still has better average 32 than bhuvi 37 in Odis , bhuvis average is better thn umesh in testmatches coz we played him on favourable conditions, he was helpless before increasing his pace. Bhuvi has unerring accuracy..ask any batsman, he will prefer to face Umesh even on a patta. Also understand that Dhoni's captaincy hindered Bhuvi far more than Umesh. Umesh is a defensive bowler, Bhuvi attacking and Bhuvi's form in ODIs has been better recently. The bottom line is Bhuvi can be a gamechanger, Umesh cannot. Ankit_sharma03 1 Link to comment
speedheat Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, lamellavig said: Bhuvi has unerring accuracy..ask any batsman, he will prefer to face Umesh even on a patta. Also understand that Dhoni's captaincy hindered Bhuvi far more than Umesh. Umesh is a defensive bowler, Bhuvi attacking and Bhuvi's form in ODIs has been better recently. The bottom line is Bhuvi can be a gamechanger, Umesh cannot. Yes this current bhuvi with increased pace and polished death bowling skills is better than umesh, unerring accuracy is not enough in international bhuvis average was touching high 40s before that 2015 sa series, umesh is not defensive bowler he is a Proper new ball bowler but lacks skills in death overs hence he. Struggles in odis he was mishandled by dhoni in his initial years but now he is 30 and its time to move on from him we have so many potential youngsters coming out, ask smith and ask styen who will they prefer bhuvi or umesh, that styens tweet on umesh during pune test vs Aus sums it up. Edited January 1, 2018 by speedheat Link to comment
Mosher Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, lamellavig said: Bhuvi has unerring accuracy..ask any batsman, he will prefer to face Umesh even on a patta. Also understand that Dhoni's captaincy hindered Bhuvi far more than Umesh. Umesh is a defensive bowler, Bhuvi attacking and Bhuvi's form in ODIs has been better recently. The bottom line is Bhuvi can be a gamechanger, Umesh cannot. A bowler who takes a lot of his wickets through bowled/LBW is a defensive bowler? express bowling, speedheat, zen and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment
lamellavig Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mosher said: A bowler who takes a lot of his wickets through bowled/LBW is a defensive bowler? Either his main role is defensive (ie. not wicket taking), or he is the worst attacking bowler of all time. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 20 minutes ago, lamellavig said: Jesus Christ! So an average of 37 merits a place in Indian test team for you? Ishant sharma avg is higher then umesh 1st of all its 35.91, 36 test 99 wkts After 36 test Zak - 99 wkts, 36.09 (more then umesh) Surely not the worst Bhuvi has played 19 test, 53 wkts Umesh after 19th test had 58 wkts, These cricketers play most games on indian wkts where u wnt get much of wkts as spinner take all, he hasnt been gr8 but hasnt been bad . Infact if u saw last season he was our best bowler adi B, speedheat and Mosher 1 2 Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Yadav has been good last year or so . But last month or two not bowled well Link to comment
Silva Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Ishant sharma avg is higher then umesh 1st of all its 35.91, 36 test 99 wkts After 36 test Zak - 99 wkts, 36.09 (more then umesh) Surely not the worst Bhuvi has played 19 test, 53 wkts Umesh after 19th test had 58 wkts, These cricketers play most games on indian wkts where u wnt get much of wkts as spinner take all, he hasnt been gr8 but hasnt been bad . Infact if u saw last season he was our best bowler Not to mention the fact that his strike rate is still considerably low. and his stats against the strongest batting line ups is similar his stats vs weaker teams. On the other hand Ishant sharma does considerably better againt west indies and bangladesh than he does againt SA and Australia. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, Silva said: Not to mention the fact that his strike rate is still considerably low. and his stats against the strongest batting line ups is similar his stats vs weaker teams. On the other hand Ishant sharma does considerably better againt west indies and bangladesh than he does againt SA and Australia. And he still has not played in SA, NZ, ENG..... the conditions for fast bowlers Silva 1 Link to comment
Silva Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 22 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: And he still has not played in SA, NZ, ENG..... the conditions for fast bowlers Yes I except him to do well especially In NZ and England because of his ability to bowl outswingers at pace. speedheat and Mosher 2 Link to comment
speedheat Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 hours ago, lamellavig said: Either his main role is defensive (ie. not wicket taking), or he is the worst attacking bowler of all time. Bhai Saab, he wouldn't have been our highest wicket taker in 2015 wc if his role was defensive. Mosher 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 (edited) Ishant will get steep bounce even on wet cement, no worries. Is baar Sharma jee ka beta dhoom macha ne walla hai. Edited January 1, 2018 by Gollum Link to comment
cowboysfan Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 If the outfield is dry then ball will be roughed up which will help even the kookaburra reverse swing. Mosher 1 Link to comment
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