How to make Rasam anti-Hindu

[diga]

[Gollum]

5 hours ago, diga said:

When Sid Vardarajan was chief editor of 'The Hindu' he allowed a piece blaming Swami Vivekanda's pose (arms folded on chest) for India's rape problem. There was a huge controversy after that and because of his continuous chewtiyapanti he was forced to resign later that year. He is an idiot of the highest order, compared to him even Sagadeep make sense.

[Mariyam]

Ma rasam, kaisa vahiyat article likha hai!!

[Stradlater]

All the Indian classical dances are one of the most boring piece of sh*t ever devised by a man's ingenuity.

Yeah sue me like I care.

I remember in school taking those dreadful mandatory Bihu lessons.

I mean who the f wants to learn some Assamese crap in this part of the world.

[Gollum]

44 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

Ma rasam, kaisa vahiyat article likha hai!!

All hail Queen Mariyam 

[Gollum]

25 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

All the Indian classical dances are one of the most boring piece of sh*t ever devised by a man's ingenuity.

Yeah sue me like I care.

I remember in school taking those dreadful mandatory Bihu lessons.

I mean who the f wants to learn some Assamese crap in this part of the world.

Politically incorrect opinion but I concur, will also extend your observation to classical music. Not just that these artistes are disproportionately rewarded, all you have to do is be part of some gharana, master some art form which only 200 people all over the world know and BOOM Padma awards galore. I mean is there any Pandit or Ustad who hasn't received a big award? Then they have these so called masters themselves canvassing for Bharat Ratna, remember Pt Birju Maharaj's furious tirade when SRT was chosen for Bharat Ratna (apparently SRT had never worked hard and had no dedication, sportspeople had no standing in front of his likes)...that petty uncouth clown. He even came to my college once (organized by SPIC MACAY) and bored us to death with his Kathak, even boasted about how his Kathak innovations are more important than works of ISRO but not given full recognition, I mean how delusional can a person possibly be? Most of these so called maestros are self centered, arrogant, snobbish, over rated assclowns pampered by our society. I can not stand these half wits get centre stage in Indian public life, with rich folk and self proclaimed intellectuals drooling over them. I mean do they even like such nonsense or is it just done to be part of a social group (elite, fine taste, intellectual...)?

[coffee_rules]

dont judge any art form from outside, unless you are a connessueir of that art. 

[velu]

1 hour ago, Stradlater said:

All the Indian classical dances are one of the most boring piece of sh*t ever devised by a man's ingenuity.

Yeah sue me like I care.

I remember in school taking those dreadful mandatory Bihu lessons.

I mean who the f wants to learn some Assamese crap in this part of the world.

 

bharatnatiyam is the most boring dance ever and carnatic music is probably one of the worst music ever i heard

in our  school on saturday post lunch , we have to either join  bharathantiyam session or scount/ncc or karate .. i usually go for karate   

[velu]

14 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

dont judge any art form from outside, unless you are a connessueir of that art. 

 

are you the defender of carnatic music and dance ?

for a casual fan , nothing could be more boring than these 

[coffee_rules]

34 minutes ago, velu said:

 

are you the defender of carnatic music and dance ?

for a casual fan , nothing could be more boring than these 

For most people in the world, cricket is so boring and pointless. If you don't know the nuances of the art, everything looks boring for a casual observer. I happen to have learnt hindustani music and I know how much hard it is to practice everyday and master it. , which I couldn't. 

[Mariyam]

@Stradlater

@Gollum

@velu

 

Why put down some art forms because they supposedly appear snobbish. I have learned Bharatnatyam and Kathak for a few years in my childhood, and though I wasn't good/dedicated enough to do my Arangatetrum, the other girls who reached that stage(pun unintended) always remember that day fondly. And it is an immense matter of pride for them.

 

Take for instance tabla, being a part of some Gharana isn't easy. You need a coach from the said gharana. There are umpteen performances that you'd have to do in the gharana style for you to get accepted. If anything, for the kind of hours these guys put in, they get scanty returns. Its easier to tonk 100 100s against Pakistani/Lankan trundlers or hit meaningless helicopter shots. Lets not belittle the efforts of other entertainers.

 

It is the low commercial returns that is killing these art forms, and hence they appear snobbish. Not too long ago, only the Maharajas and civil servants towing the British line played cricket, making it the very epitome of a snobbish game,  while Bharatnatyam was taught in many households by a guru. How the tables have turned in these 70+ years.

 

 

Edited May 9, 2018 by Mariyam

[Gollum]

3 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

@Stradlater

@Gollum

@velu

 

Why put down some art forms because they supposedly appear snobbish. I have learned Bharatnatyam and Kathak for a few years in my childhood, and though I wasn't good/dedicated enough to do my Arangatetrum, the other girls who reached that stage(pun unintended) always remember that day fondly. And it is an immense matter of pride for them.

 

Take for instance tabla, being a part of some Gharana isn't easy. You need a coach from the said gharana. There are umpteen performances that you'd have to do in the gharana style for you to get accepted. If anything, for the kind of hours these guys put in, they get scanty returns. Its easier to tonk 100 100s against Pakistani/Lankan trundlers or hit meaningless helicopter shots. Lets not belittle the efforts of other entertainers.

 

It is the low commercial returns that is killing these art forms, and hence they appear snobbish. Not too long ago, only the Maharaja's and civil servants towing the British line played cricket, making it the very epitome of a snobbish game,  while Bharatnatyam was taught in many households by a guru. How the tables have turned in these 70+ years.

 

 

I dodged a bullet there. I was expecting a response from you or some other T20 fan along the lines of 'How is test cricket any different?'

 

Regarding your post how is it easier to become a cricketer at the top level? In cricket you are competing against millions of other kids, in classical arts there is not much competition. Moreover most of the Panidts and Ustads I see are children/relatives of other Pandits and Ustads...so clearly there is some nepotism going around. Even if commercial returns are low they get enough recognition, and I don't think commercial returns are that low...may be lower than tycoons, politicians, cricketers and Bollywood celebs. In every Ambani party I see Ustad Amjad Ali Khan, in every big wedding or social function these guys are there. In every Padma awardee list, you have dozens of these guys. How are they better than some engineer in BARC/ISRO/IOCL who makes some technical modification thus increasing production and saving crores if rupees? You never see such unsung heroes getting a Padma? These classical artistes are not the poor innocent marginalized community you are trying to make them out to be,  they are doing better than 98% of Indians both financially and also in terms of recognition. 

[velu]

18 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

Why put down some art forms because they supposedly appear snobbish. I have learned Bharatnatyam and Kathak for a few years in my childhood, and though I wasn't good/dedicated enough to do my Arangatetrum, the other girls who reached that stage(pun unintended) always remember that day fondly. And it is an immense matter of pride for them.

 

not putting down , but i feel these dances are too slow and monotonous if i see them casually .. 

 

rajnis daughter did a bharatnatiyam show for some UNO fucntion .. if you can dance better than her , you can still go for arangetram

i could find only troll videos of her performance .. have a look

 

 

 

[velu]

35 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

For most people in the world, cricket is so boring and pointless. If you don't know the nuances of the art, everything looks boring for a casual observer. I happen to have learnt hindustani music and I know how much hard it is to practice everyday and master it. , which I couldn't. 

 

we had mandatory bharathanatiyam/carnatic session in our school days ( sort of introduction ) and absolute majority of the people  disliked it ..

my point is not whtehr it is tough or easy , its pretty much boring for the VAST MAJORITY of the people ..

pound for pound , its boring to most ..

 

few things appeal to even casual observer , for example when private channel era started in the late 90s they use to play english songs for 30mins in suntv ( top hits of Michael jackson mostly ) and vast majority of the people like it even though most of them were not familiar with the language or the pop music at that time ..

 

 

[coffee_rules]

29 minutes ago, velu said:

 

we had mandatory bharathanatiyam/carnatic session in our school days ( sort of introduction ) and absolute majority of the people  disliked it ..

my point is not whtehr it is tough or easy , its pretty much boring for the VAST MAJORITY of the people ..

pound for pound , its boring to most ..

 

few things appeal to even casual observer , for example when private channel era started in the late 90s they use to play english songs for 30mins in suntv ( top hits of Michael jackson mostly ) and vast majority of the people like it even though most of them were not familiar with the language or the pop music at that time ..

 

 

You are comparing pop music to a traditional art. It is like saying porn on tv is much appreciated than a well-researched documentary, which was boring to a casual observer.

Edited May 9, 2018 by coffee_rules

[velu]

1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

You are comparing pop music to a traditional art. It is like saying porn on tv is much appreciated than a well-researched documentary, which was boring to a casual observer.

pop not porn  

 

i am not debating that which is better or diffcult to master .. finer/better not necessraily mean interesting 

 

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

I dodged a bullet there. I was expecting a response from you or some other T20 fan along the lines of 'How is test cricket any different?'

 

Regarding your post how is it easier to become a cricketer at the top level? In cricket you are competing against millions of other kids, in classical arts there is not much competition. Moreover most of the Panidts and Ustads I see are children/relatives of other Pandits and Ustads...so clearly there is some nepotism going around. Even if commercial returns are low they get enough recognition, and I don't think commercial returns are that low...may be lower than tycoons, politicians, cricketers and Bollywood celebs. In every Ambani party I see Ustad Amjad Ali Khan, in every big wedding or social function these guys are there. In every Padma awardee list, you have dozens of these guys. How are they better than some engineer in BARC/ISRO/IOCL who makes some technical modification thus increasing production and saving crores if rupees? You never see such unsung heroes getting a Padma? These classical artistes are not the poor innocent marginalized community you are trying to make them out to be,  they are doing better than 98% of Indians both financially and also in terms of recognition. 

There are a lot of scientists who are recognized by Padma awards these days. You are making gross generalizations regarding music artists. There is a lot of talent outside of the Pandits/Ustads.  The same false equivalence of comparing music awardees v/s scientists can be said about cricketers given awards. How many crores of rupees did Sachin save to be given a Bharat Ratna?

 

It is not about money in art, but world over classical art is dying and authorities/governments will have to invent in preserving. 

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, velu said:

 

not putting down , but i feel these dances are too slow and monotonous if i see them casually .. 

 

rajnis daughter did a bharatnatiyam show for some UNO fucntion .. if you can dance better than her , you can still go for arangetram

i could find only troll videos of her performance .. have a look

 

 

 

In the edited clip, she looks very inferior. I don't know about her credentials in dancing.

[diga]

Rasam is symbol of tyranny of Brahmanism, Bharatanatyam is an object of Majoritarian Cultural Nationalism.
But all the mosques over temple lands are the architectural reuse and not of invasion.

[velu]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

In the edited clip, she looks very inferior. I don't know about her credentials in dancing.

she requested not to troll her or create  meme after that  

her performance was extremely pathrtic and it was rightly comapred to a donkey which tries to sing ( mean watever training it gets  , donkey will sing like a donkey  )..