express bowling Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 31 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Shami's stats on SA tour were misleading. He went missing every time, you needed him to take wickets and mostly took wickets when game was practically over for us. You want bowlers who delivers at the right time. Consistency is key to test bowling. Even BK does not bowl with intensity throughout the test but because he hits consistent areas, he is always a threat whenever he gets a slight help despite being low in pace. Shami is one who if not bowling with intensity will consistently deliver boundary balls. you dont need 140KPh bowlers in England. One is enough. 130-135K moving the ball, hitting right areas can do the job for us. We need to bowlers like BK for England and one 140-145K bowler who can bowl a few bouncers and keep the batsman honest. As I said in my earlier post, Shami was under mental pressure in SA due to ongoing tensions with his wife. His performance there is not a reflection of his normal ability. As for England, in recent times, the ball does not swing all the time. Additionally, many of pitches become abrasive after 2 or 3 days. Spinners have done better. We saw in the Lords test we played last time that it was a green top for 2 days and needed hit-the-deck bowling in the last 2 or 3 days. We can't afford to have 2 pacers who can look threatening ONLY IF the ball swings. We have Bhuvi for that. Umesh is an outswing bowler too, who can perform with the old ball also. 1. Rahul 2. Vijay 3. Pujara 4. Kohli 5. Rahane 6. Ashwin 7. Saha 8. Bhuvi 9. Umesh 10. Shami / Saini ** 11. Bumrah This would be my playing 11. Saini would play if Shami is mentally not focused. Mosher, UrmiSinhaRay and swastikpanda2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Drive Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 None of the pacers in this IPL have shown consistency. Even Umesh and Hardik have been hot and cold. The uncapped pacers have been rubbish, giving performance in only 1 match. They would be feasted upon at international level where they will have to bowl against lots of international players in T20i. The influx of quality is just not there. The same reputed T20i bowlers like Rashid, Tye, Narine are enjoying success. T20i skills are very different to test and ODi. Some of the pacers are totally brainless, bowling to batsman's strengths. No wonder they get tonked for 50 + runs or give overs like 25. We are totally dependent on Bumrah and Hardik in T201. Kuldeep and Chahal in spin department. There is no fresh performing talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 (edited) People expecting consistency from bowlers in T20 cricket. Even Kuldeep and Chahal have been poor. Bumrah only delivered in a handful of games, hot and cold. None of them have been consistent. It is moronic to expect consistency from bowlers in T20 cricket on flattest of the tracks. if bowlers start delivering with consistency, teams wont cross 140-150 and no one will come to watch IPL that is why they make flat pitches. Edited May 19, 2018 by rkt.india Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, rkt.india said: People expecting consistency from bowlers in T20 cricket. . It is moronic to expect consistency from bowlers in T20 cricket on flattest of the tracks. Exactly ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhaan Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 26 minutes ago, rkt.india said: People expecting consistency from bowlers in T20 cricket. Even Kuldeep and Chahal have been poor. Bumrah only delivered in a handful of games, hot and cold. None of them have been consistent. It is moronic to expect consistency from bowlers in T20 cricket on flattest of the tracks. if bowlers start deliveries with consistency, teams wont cross 140-150 and no one will come to watch IPL that is why they make flat pitches. Yes it is a point ,but I think they are complaining about something else for eg Avesh khan bowled foolishly ,"short" stuffs to Rayudu who went into carnage mode in that particular over,yes Avesh has struggled consistently in 3-4 matches now, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcric Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 hour ago, express bowling said: As I said in my earlier post, Shami was under mental pressure in SA due to ongoing tensions with his wife. His performance there is not a reflection of his normal ability. As for England, in recent times, the ball does not swing all the time. Additionally, many of pitches become abrasive after 2 or 3 days. Spinners have done better. We saw in the Lords test we played last time that it was a green top for 2 days and needed hit-the-deck bowling in the last 2 or 3 days. We can't afford to have 2 pacers who can look threatening ONLY IF the ball swings. We have Bhuvi for that. Umesh is an outswing bowler too, who can perform with the old ball also. 1. Rahul 2. Vijay 3. Pujara 4. Kohli 5. Rahane 6. Ashwin 7. Saha 8. Bhuvi 9. Umesh 10. Shami / Saini ** 11. Bumrah This would be my playing 11. Saini would play if Shami is mentally not focused. I've lost confidence in Pujara for overseas tests. If some other top order batter is in good form around that time, I'd pick him in place of Pujara. I'd also pick Pandya as the 4th pacer. Vijay Rahul ???? * Kohli Rahane + Saha Pandya Ashwin / Kuldeep Bhuvi Umesh Bumrah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi B Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Umesh without a doubt and also add to the fact that he has played half of his matches at the chinnaswamy. Disappointed with bumrah and bhuvi due their lack of wkts this season Straight Drive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sscomp32 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Ankit and deepak. Could add Umesh too but that is expected of him as a senior bowler. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Drive Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Prasad Krishna impressed. Other uncapped pacers were tonked at will. adi B and Mosher 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannister Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Prasidh has been the most impressive of the lot. This is what we had expected from Ishant to generate bounce with his normal deliveries at good pace. Mosher and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upriser7 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Bumrah despite having few bad games actually has a very impressive economy rate this season...his economy rate this season is less than 7..it's around 6.75 something...which is brilliant considering how he bowls majority of his overs during final 8 overs of the game express bowling and Mosher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swastikpanda2 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 21 hours ago, express bowling said: As I said in my earlier post, Shami was under mental pressure in SA due to ongoing tensions with his wife. His performance there is not a reflection of his normal ability. As for England, in recent times, the ball does not swing all the time. Additionally, many of pitches become abrasive after 2 or 3 days. Spinners have done better. We saw in the Lords test we played last time that it was a green top for 2 days and needed hit-the-deck bowling in the last 2 or 3 days. We can't afford to have 2 pacers who can look threatening ONLY IF the ball swings. We have Bhuvi for that. Umesh is an outswing bowler too, who can perform with the old ball also. 1. Rahul 2. Vijay 3. Pujara 4. Kohli 5. Rahane 6. Ashwin 7. Saha 8. Bhuvi 9. Umesh 10. Shami / Saini ** 11. Bumrah This would be my playing 11. Saini would play if Shami is mentally not focused. Hopeful that Kohli has learnt lessons from SA tour. 4 Pacers (Bhuvi can bat)+ Aswin is better than 3 Pacers + Ashwin+ Pandya. I would have Dhawan as back up for both middle order and opening batsman. Think he has improved his test game a bit from SA tour. What your opinion on Rahul as No. 3 ?? In case Pujara fails terribly, Dhawan, Vijay, Rahul,Kohli, Rahane?? Mosher and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, swastikpanda2 said: Hopeful that Kohli has learnt lessons from SA tour. 4 Pacers (Bhuvi can bat)+ Aswin is better than 3 Pacers + Ashwin+ Pandya. Quote I would have Dhawan as back up for both middle order and opening batsman. Think he has improved his test game a bit from SA tour. What your opinion on Rahul as No. 3 ?? In case Pujara fails terribly, Dhawan, Vijay, Rahul,Kohli, Rahane? Rahul at No.3 can definitely work. But can Dhawan open in England ? Dhawan has improved his game a lot against pace and bounce. He is cutting and pulling the ball fiercely these days. But his off-stump game is still weak, especially if the ball is moving. And we have somehow failed to develop any other promising test batter for the middle order, because Rohit kept on getting chances. As it stands today ... if Pujara fails, Dhawan in the middle order maybe our only option. Edited May 20, 2018 by express bowling Mosher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 20 hours ago, philcric said: I've lost confidence in Pujara for overseas tests. If some other top order batter is in good form around that time, I'd pick him in place of Pujara. Your point is valid but who do you have in mind as a potentially better replacement ? 20 hours ago, philcric said: I'd also pick Pandya as the 4th pacer. I got the impression in SA that out pace attack looked much more potent when we played 4 specialist quicks. As of today, Pandya is not that consistent as a test batsman to overturn the above factor. Mosher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Drive Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, upriser7 said: Bumrah despite having few bad games actually has a very impressive economy rate this season...his economy rate this season is less than 7..it's around 6.75 something...which is brilliant considering how he bowls majority of his overs during final 8 overs of the game Bumrah is not in top wicket taker list this IPL, however he has done the containing job excellently in most matches for MI. A bowler who is not able to take wickets in bulk like Tye, Rashid etc should atleast be able to choke runs, which is what Bumrah did when wickets were tough to take. If he manages to pick wickets as well as choke runs then he will be considered as T20 top class bowler like Tye, Narine, Rashid. One day he will be there , i hope so. Edited May 20, 2018 by Straight Drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 T20 is a format which assumes importance in international cricket only in World T20s, which will generally be held once in 4 years. It is a format destined for franchise based cricket. From an India-fan point of view, I hope Bumrah and other budding quick bowlers do not become top T20 bowlers. This is because the qualities that make a pacer really good in T20s ( like too many slower balls and variations ) often make a pacer lose his ability to take wickets in tests and ODIs. T20Is can do with specialist seamers developed specifically for this format. Mosher and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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