Alam_dar Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 hours ago, rageaddict said: Liberal Hindus , Atheists, Muslims, Christians , Feminists and Dravidian fanatics having a field day. To be honest, I have only half field day. I am happy while it seems that Indians seem to be going away from communal politics. But I am not fully satisfied with Congress and don't want such a corrupt party to be representative of Secular Progressive India. Actually, Congress brought bad name of Secularism in India, just like the corrupt Pakistan's Peoples Party brought bad name to Secularism in Pakistan. Non or less corrupt party of Kajriwal seems to be much better option than Congress Party, and it could serve Indian people much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Clarke said: Yogi who ? Let him show some results in UP first. Needs to win thundering majorities for 2 terms rather than be anointed as the holy one because of the color of his robe. In general, too much is being made of state elections. Don't park anti-incumbency in MP/CH & Raje's term as well as history of Rajasthan's state elections before giving verdict on 2019. BJP may not get 272 but they can manage it better to score ~200+ and NDA getting to 272. Anti-incumbency sure. However Modi has definitely lost the aura of being the poster boy of the BJP. People want radical changes. Maybe the demonetization fiasco so early on in his tenure kind of made him go into his shell. I might be a little clouded in my judgement though because I was in India over a month and travelled across 3 states where BJP is not that well liked and forming my opinion listening to people who are not very happy with Modi and you can say Very Anti- Modi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmreekanDesi Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 wait theres lot of reasons to criticise Modi but somehow promoting Hindi as a national language and having it develop as a unifying force in this huge country is what people are miffed at? Clearly wrong priorities. if Hindi can have its rightful place across Hindustan then it is only a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, AmreekanDesi said: wait theres lot of reasons to criticise Modi but somehow promoting Hindi as a national language and having it develop as a unifying force in this huge country is what people are miffed at? Clearly wrong priorities. if Hindi can have its rightful place across Hindustan then it is only a good thing All these states where he lost is Hindi states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Hi all... Was taking a break from cricket... After BJP losing 3 states, thinking of taking break from Indian politics... Everybody is harsh on Modi & BJP... Even I’m very angry too... However I’ll put my views one by one. mishra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 @Muloghonto Comunal politics still works in Hindi heartland... maybe you missed Congress leaders videos leaking mentioning about Muslim votes, RaGa mentioning his gotra, visiting temples and Tibet, trying to beat BJP in its own game... Theres have been more riots during Congress rules than BJP rule but people love to blame BJP only. Adi BB, UrmiSinhaRay and mishra 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) Chhattisgarh (and now PiChhattisgarh) almost went to Congress in the last elections too. Raman Singh somehow managed to save it last time but this time the game was over, however BJP/RSS didn’t revealed it so that not to discourage the RW... Rajasthan alternates between two parties in every term.. Raje was was very unpopular and BJP took a huge gamble backing her. Paid the price now... MP is a surprise result and Mama (Shivraj) has done lots of work and is popular too...But SC/ST act, angry middle class & farmers screwed up BJP.. Youve to understand the new generation are more politically aware and 15 years under BJP which they grew up creates anti-incubancy for BJP... Muslims vote in a block to Congress even if RaGa proclaims himself as more Hindu than Modi... But BJP is still hanging there... Edited December 11, 2018 by asterix mishra and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 16 minutes ago, asterix said: @Muloghonto Comunal politics still works in Hindi heartland... maybe you missed Congress leaders videos leaking mentioning about Muslim votes, RaGa mentioning his gotra, visiting temples and Tibet, trying to beat BJP in its own game... Theres have been more riots during Congress rules than BJP rule but people love to blame BJP only. That is because Congress, as i said, is better at the optics. Riots and tragedies blow over in weeks after they are done. What creates a far bigger image is what happens every other day, even on tiny scale. This is where congress is closer to the majority Indian psyche than BJP : congress projects the 'annadata of minorities, shielders of secularism' - which bulk majority of hindus are okay with. BJP has every few days a moron minister or party member doing ' YEEHAW HINDU PRIDE' stuff and it breeds the ' these are communal hindu fundoos', which bulk majority of hindus are not so okay with. For a time now, i have noted why hinduvta fails and WILL fail - it simply seeks to create hindus & hinduism in the mould of Islam, to beat Islam at its own game, something hindus and hinduism is fundamentally unsuited for and is like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Modi brought lots of hope for its core voters in 2014 and first 1 Year he was focusing on administration, performance of ministries and ministers etc. Somewhere he got bitten by “Vikaans” bug and started getting the hang of getting popular among NRIs and Western leaders... He was a born traveller. He really likes to travel... he works hard too (many hours a day). He and husvteam has done some fantastic development work. You have to give credit to him... Gadkari, Piyush have done good job in their ministries. Sushma too has done her bit... Rajnath “Kadi Ninda” Singh has done lots of good work in neutralising Naxal and Kashmir millitancy... However he’s some extremely incompetent ministers too, like Jaitley, Harshwardhan, Jawdekar etc... Jaitley has single handedly screwed up Modi & BJP.... The actual damage done by him will result in these losses. On top of it, Modi’s not being ruthless against Corrupt Gandhi’s & Vadras is now hurting him... it’s too late to go after them now... Now you’ve your two top CBI officers fighting like cats... how unfortunate it is for Modi & BJP? UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Muloghonto said: That is because Congress, as i said, is better at the optics. Riots and tragedies blow over in weeks after they are done. What creates a far bigger image is what happens every other day, even on tiny scale. This is where congress is closer to the majority Indian psyche than BJP : congress projects the 'annadata of minorities, shielders of secularism' - which bulk majority of hindus are okay with. BJP has every few days a moron minister or party member doing ' YEEHAW HINDU PRIDE' stuff and it breeds the ' these are communal hindu fundoos', which bulk majority of hindus are not so okay with. For a time now, i have noted why hinduvta fails and WILL fail - it simply seeks to create hindus & hinduism in the mould of Islam, to beat Islam at its own game, something hindus and hinduism is fundamentally unsuited for and is like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Fair enough.. however if you ignore the rise of fundamentalist Muslims in India, you’ll be living in fools paradise... BJP will fail but fundamentalist Muslims doing big rallies, creating trouble and actually persecuting Hindus in some deject states will finally tip over the mostly peaceful Hindus... that time is coming soon.. Remember Muslims are still safe in majority Hindu population.. Hiwever this cant be same vice versa when the Muslim population reaches the “desired” level. It’s fast approaching that stage now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Global.Baba said: At best statements like Vedic science etc become social media memes. They don’t sway voters or impact the elections at all. No they don't. But when economy stalls and the news is filled with vedic science, gau mutra, this temple, that temple, a saffron-clad CM changing all names to mickey-mouse hinduvta names , it creates the mentality of hindu irridentism( WTF is Prayag-raj ? It was never, at any point in its HISTORY called Prayag-raj. It was called Prayag. And if this facker has an IOTA of history knowledge, he'd know that prayag is a medeival era name to the ancient, glorious and extremely illustrious city of KAUSHAMBHI, which even was its own city-state for a long, long while. 1 hour ago, Global.Baba said: If someone agrees with the whole Sabarimala for women moment in Kerala they will suddenly not start voting for the communist party. Similarly people who are against it will not start voting for BJP in another state like say a neighboring state like TN either. It is not one instance.its hundreds upon hundreds of instances of hindu-giri being shoved down the throats of Indians that is starting to pile up. temples, gau-mutra being ayurvedic, vedic science, child marriage, moral police. Its called death by a thousand cuts. 1 hour ago, Global.Baba said: I recently spoke to an Auto driver in Hyderabad as expected he was anti-BJP and anti-Modi but also he didn’t hold Owaisi in high regard. He was voting for TRS because he thought their schemes benefitted him. I was really impressed the way he articulated his political opinions. I may agree or disagree with him but I respect his individuality. That might be an isolated example for the sake of this discussion but there are plenty such examples. The whole beef controversy or some fringe groups harassing couples on Valentine’s Day make for good spicy headlines and sure they exist but they don’t have a huge impact on the voters Pshyce. Also this kind of anarchy exists regardless of who the ruling party is and has nothing to do with the BJP. This should be approached as a law and order menace rather than a political one. They do make a big impact on the reading and news-following voter psyche. The new generation, is the generation of social media and that number is shooting up huge. Like it or not, the 20-30-something folks with cell phones are swayed significantly by social media. The members of my family who are below 30 are showing steady signs of turning against the BJP, even though some of them don't live in Bengal or never grew up in Bengal. 1 hour ago, Global.Baba said: Nobody buys random propaganda that BJP will kill all Muslims or congress will bring back the Mughal Raj in this day and age. If Rahul Gandhi becomes PM maybe a repeat of Tughlaq Raj though lol. I see this as a lazy argument for criticizing the BJP. As you are seeing on this thread and others people who vehemently defend Modi are Ponting out some of his failures as well. Go to a village and you will see unemployed people playing cards and smoking tobacco and discussing politics and they will make such articulate points that will put some of us just giving opinions in black and white and regurgitating popular media arguments as facts to shame Sure. But this is Indian politics. Dozens of parties, hundreds of factions/demographic groups. To the ones who will be in power tomorrow - the hundred million+ educated young people, media related news *is* how they form political affiliations. BJP is losing that faction at an alarming rate due to its hindu-giri. Pure and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 27 minutes ago, asterix said: Theres have been more riots during Congress rules than BJP rule but people love to blame BJP only. This argument is not valid, as the people who were doing the riots in both eras were the right wing and supporters of BJP. And minorities never lived under so much fear as they have been living under the present BJP rule, where all know that Police under Yogi and even CBI under central government is supporting the right wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I’ve realised that whatever BJP leaders say, they still prefer to have shadow boxing (Noora Kushti) with Congress as both willkeep in exchanging these states in various terms... in the process BJP takes the RW on occasional rides by making various promises... RW slowly realising it that BJP is taking them for a ride... Congress is more experienced in ruling the Country and BJP doesn’t has any ecosystem like Congress and doesn’t makes any efforts to make its own eco system... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, asterix said: Fair enough.. however if you ignore the rise of fundamentalist Muslims in India, you’ll be living in fools paradise... BJP will fail but fundamentalist Muslims doing big rallies, creating trouble and actually persecuting Hindus in some deject states will finally tip over the mostly peaceful Hindus... that time is coming soon.. Remember Muslims are still safe in majority Hindu population.. Hiwever this cant be same vice versa when the Muslim population reaches the “desired” level. It’s fast approaching that stage now... Not ignoring the fundamentalist muslim angle at all. The big difference is, rise of Islamist is seen as a security risk for India and 'trouble in a few far-flung districts of Bengal, Assam, J&K and a few here and there'. The rise of fundoo hinduism is seen as a much more concern to the moderate hindus, because the feeling of moral policing and 'sanskaari bhaashans' affecting them more directly. What you say about tipping to BJP is true, but if BJP gets stuck in the ' no better than Congress at economics but its the weapon that damages you, that you must use to kill a bigger threat, then put away ASAP' zone, its never going to have a stable mandate. It will then cycle as ' OMG we need BJP to teach the fundoo muslims a lesson ----> fundoo muslims taught a lesson ---> hindugiri on the rise ---> OMG they do jack $hit with humongous majority and now fundoo hindus are in charge, get rid of them---> no more BJP in power'. beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Alam_dar said: This argument is not valid, as the people who were doing the riots in both eras were the right wing and supporters of BJP. And minorities never lived under so much fear as they have been living under the present BJP rule, where all know that Police under Yogi and even CBI under central government is supporting the right wing. And how do you know this? India is a vast country with 1.3 billion people. 20% minorities so you are telling me 278 million people are shuddering and living in fear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: This argument is not valid, as the people who were doing the riots in both eras were the right wing and supporters of BJP. And minorities never lived under so much fear as they have been living under the present BJP rule, where all know that Police under Yogi and even CBI under central government is supporting the right wing. err no. Also muslim riots are bigger under congress. Dont forget the one and only Sikh riots under congress. BJP actually has a better security track record rate than congress. But their optics are far inferior. beetle and Number 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: This argument is not valid, as the people who were doing the riots in both eras were the right wing and supporters of BJP. And minorities never lived under so much fear as they have been living under the present BJP rule, where all know that Police under Yogi and even CBI under central government is supporting the right wing. You are misinformed.. Please check the videos of recent Muslim congregation in Bulandshar.. Muslims certainly not living in fear in UP or any states... Rhey are living in most dabang way... If you say these Muslims are living in fear I cannot fathom how they’ll behave when they are “not living in fear”... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Global.Baba said: The whole beef controversy or some fringe groups harassing couples on Valentine’s Day make for good spicy headlines and sure they exist but they don’t have a huge impact on the voters Pshyce. Also this kind of anarchy exists regardless of who the ruling party is and has nothing to do with the BJP. This should be approached as a law and order menace rather than a political one. Beef and cow politics has deadly effect on economy of Rural farmers Rajasthan has a problem it can't name: farmers abandoning their cattle https://wap.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/rajasthan-has-a-problem-it-can-t-name-farmers-abandoning-their-cattle-118120501297_1.html I agree with you its just few fringe that are killing but its impact is that lower caste hindu's are leaving age old profession of skinning dead cows , other poor communities stop dealing in cattle trade and much worse stray cattle destroying farms and farmers has to take care of unproductive cows. Cow politics is lucrative for short term but in long term it backfire badly Edited December 11, 2018 by Singh bling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, asterix said: You are misinformed.. Please check the videos of recent Muslim congregation in Bulandshar.. Muslims certainly not living in fear in UP or any states... Rhey are living in most dabang way... If you say these Muslims are living in fear I cannot fathom how they’ll behave when they are “not living in fear”... or the crap that goes on in border jelas of Bong-land. asterix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Singh bling said: Beef and cow politics has deadly effect on economy of Rural farmers Rajasthan has a problem it can't name: farmers abandoning their cattle https://wap.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/rajasthan-has-a-problem-it-can-t-name-farmers-abandoning-their-cattle-118120501297_1.html I agree with you its just few fringe that are killing but its impact is that lower caste hindu's are leaving age old profession of skinning dead cows , other poor communities stop dealing in cattle trade and much worse stray cattle destroying farms and farmers has to take care of unproductive cows. Cow politics is lucrative for short term but in long term it backfire badly Yep. Cow-politics is the biggest own-goal for BJP. Trying to go the whole 'fundoo hindu gau-mata' route not only pi$$es off the minorties, the moderate/non-practicing hindus,liberals, they also pi$$ off countless farmers for screwing them out of much needed $$ they get from the end-of-life cow business. Smart. Make a few chaddis happy but p!ss off far more people with the economic & religious impact of it. BJP is showing us, how to work hard at evaporating an overwhelming mandate inside of 2 election cycles. rkt.india, GautiMaan and Singh bling 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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