SUMO Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Neglect the extremes to measure consistency. Ignore those anomalies to claculate mean, compare with sachin's Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, putrevus said: That is simply not true, he was not good enough to score 500 runs in series. What i have said, is objective fact. Sachin has played more than 7 innings in a test match far less than almost everyone in that list. The bulk majority of 500+ runs have come in more than 7 innings played. Simple, hard numbers. 14 minutes ago, putrevus said: I am tired of hearing excuses on why Sachin could not do this or Sachin couldn't do that, it is simple he was not good enough. Facts prove that he had the least opportunity of virtually everyone in that list to score 500 runs in a series. 14 minutes ago, putrevus said: Nobody stopped him from scoring a triple hundred either. There is a reason why he never crossed 900 rating also. Triple hundreds are more or less irrelevant and someone with triple hundreds but same average/runs-per innings proves they failed more. Crossing 900 innnigns relies on purple patches more than long term consistency - the math to this is pretty simple. Sachin is the best test batsman in the last 50 years, if not longer. That is a statistical fact as well as a majority opinion of most of the experts. Ergo, your opinion is meaningless opinion of an unqualified fan, incapable of normative analysis. Link to comment
Clarke Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 7 hours ago, velu said: as a bambi you shld know the milestones Not a Bambi Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, Muloghonto said: What i have said, is objective fact. Sachin has played more than 7 innings in a test match far less than almost everyone in that list. The bulk majority of 500+ runs have come in more than 7 innings played. Simple, hard numbers. Facts prove that he had the least opportunity of virtually everyone in that list to score 500 runs in a series. Triple hundreds are more or less irrelevant and someone with triple hundreds but same average/runs-per innings proves they failed more. Crossing 900 innnigns relies on purple patches more than long term consistency - the math to this is pretty simple. Sachin is the best test batsman in the last 50 years, if not longer. That is a statistical fact as well as a majority opinion of most of the experts. Ergo, your opinion is meaningless opinion of an unqualified fan, incapable of normative analysis. It is not just 500, he never scored two hundreds in match either, that is the reason why he never could become the match winner he was supposed to become when he was picked up at 16. Sachin was a master compiler of records nothing more than that, just becuase Bradman said he batted like him does make him Bradman. He never learnt art or scoring big test runs or carry the form for whole series and dominate the series like many other great batsmen did and will continue to do so in future. Purple patches of batsmen is what wins teams matches, 900 rating is bench mark of batsmen able to impose himself on great bowlers on his era.Sachin could never do and yet you claim he was somehow imposing himself on great bowlers. Edited December 14, 2018 by putrevus UrmiSinhaRay, velu and Rasgulla 1 2 Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 3 hours ago, putrevus said: It is not just 500, he never scored two hundreds in match either, that is the reason why he never could become the match winner he was supposed to become when he was picked up at 16. Batsmen are not matchwinners in tests. The fact that he didnt score 2 100s in a test yet has a higher average than Lara or Viv shows why Tendulkar is more valuable than either in a team - his runs came at a far bigger consistency and frequency - simple math dictates this, buddy. 3 hours ago, putrevus said: Sachin was a master compiler of records nothing more than that, just becuase Bradman said he batted like him does make him Bradman. Uh yeah it does. Bradman's opinion on who batted like him counts more than a random internet dude's. 3 hours ago, putrevus said: He never learnt art or scoring big test runs or carry the form for whole series and dominate the series like many other great batsmen did and will continue to do so in future. Good that he didn't. Give me a batsman i can rely on to get 2-3 good scores every test match, any day of the week over the feast or famine guys who will singlehandedly sink their own team for long stretches. 3 hours ago, putrevus said: Purple patches of batsmen is what wins teams matches, 900 rating is bench mark of batsmen able to impose himself on great bowlers on his era.Sachin could never do and yet you claim he was somehow imposing himself on great bowlers. No, batsmen do not win test matches. The fact that he imposed himself on the bowlers is self-evident from the scorecards of his matches, ergo your assumption that 900 rating = imposing on bowlers is unfounded. All 900 rating means is how good you are stringing together a bunch of good scores. Scoring 200, 150, 66, 75,145,0,0,4,0,0, will have a higher test rating cumulatively than 200,11,14,75,6,120,4,85,15,110. Yet, the latter sequence is more valuable to the team. You clearly do not know the math behind the ratings, which is why you speak the nonsense you do. Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 55 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Batsmen are not matchwinners in tests. The fact that he didnt score 2 100s in a test yet has a higher average than Lara or Viv shows why Tendulkar is more valuable than either in a team - his runs came at a far bigger consistency and frequency - simple math dictates this, buddy. Uh yeah it does. Bradman's opinion on who batted like him counts more than a random internet dude's. Good that he didn't. Give me a batsman i can rely on to get 2-3 good scores every test match, any day of the week over the feast or famine guys who will singlehandedly sink their own team for long stretches. No, batsmen do not win test matches. The fact that he imposed himself on the bowlers is self-evident from the scorecards of his matches, ergo your assumption that 900 rating = imposing on bowlers is unfounded. All 900 rating means is how good you are stringing together a bunch of good scores. Scoring 200, 150, 66, 75,145,0,0,4,0,0, will have a higher test rating cumulatively than 200,11,14,75,6,120,4,85,15,110. Yet, the latter sequence is more valuable to the team. You clearly do not know the math behind the ratings, which is why you speak the nonsense you do. Bradman said he batted like him, it does not make him Bradman. Bradman was head shoulders above his peers. Sachin was one of the great batsmen of his generation.What is Sachin's greatest attribute he was steady eddy who got his runs in most of the series. I don't call that as domination or Goat. Batsmen don't win matches but they surely setup the win by giving bowlers enough cushion. Sachin failed in that aspect big time by not being able to impose himself on any series. Steady eddies don't win matches for team. Steady eddies are not called GOATS. Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, putrevus said: Bradman said he batted like him, it does not make him Bradman. Bradman was head shoulders above his peers. Sachin was one of the great batsmen of his generation.What is Sachin's greatest attribute he was steady eddy who got his runs in most of the series. I don't call that as domination or Goat. Don't care what YOU call it. You are a nobody. Bradman was a professional cricketer. His opinion on cricketer > your opinion on cricketer. Simple. We've already shown you how Tendulkar was not a steady-eddy at his peak, but a dominator & destroyer of attacks and doing it more consistently than any other batsman barring Bradman in test history. 12 minutes ago, putrevus said: Batsmen don't win matches but they surely setup the win by giving bowlers enough cushion. Sachin failed in that aspect big time by not being able to impose himself on any series. He succeeded that in more matches more frequently than any other batsman in history. 12 minutes ago, putrevus said: Steady eddies don't win matches for team. Steady eddies are not called GOATS. Except he is not a steady-eddy. Guys who dominate an attack while scoring bulk majority of runs are not steady eddys. Seems like you just learnt a new word and are over-eager to use it, even when its usage is wrong. Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Wanted to respond but Mulo is here. He got this Link to comment
velu Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Don't care what YOU call it. You are a nobody. Bradman was a professional cricketer. His opinion on cricketer > your opinion on cricketer. Simple. "inzamam is million times better batsmen than sachin" - miandad Link to comment
zen Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 In a 3 tests series, the following have got 500 runs or more: View series averages [change view] Qualifications matches played equal to 3 Ordered by runs scored (descending) Page 1 of 108 Showing 1 - 50 of 5393 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Series averages Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 0 Start Date Winner GA Gooch (ENG) 3 6 0 752 333 125.33 3 2 0 26 Jul 1990 England India in England Test Series, 1990 BC Lara (WI) 3 6 0 688 221 114.66 3 1 0 13 Nov 2001 Sri Lanka West Indies in Sri Lanka Test Series, 2001/02 Mohammad Yousuf (PAK) 3 5 0 665 192 133.00 4 1 0 11 Nov 2006 Pakistan West Indies in Pakistan Test Series, 2006/07 V Kohli (INDIA) 3 5 1 610 243 152.50 3 1 1 16 Nov 2017 India Sri Lanka in India Test Series, 2017/18 DA Warner (AUS) 3 6 0 592 253 98.66 3 0 0 5 Nov 2015 Australia Trans-Tasman Trophy [New Zealand in Australia], 2015/16 Zaheer Abbas (PAK) 3 5 2 583 235* 194.33 2 1 0 16 Oct 1978 Pakistan India in Pakistan Test Series, 1978/79 MJ Clarke (AUS) 3 5 1 576 259* 144.00 2 0 0 9 Nov 2012 South Africa South Africa in Australia Test Series, 2012/13 SM Nurse (WI) 3 5 0 558 258 111.60 2 1 0 27 Feb 1969 drawn West Indies in New Zealand Test Series, 1968/69 Saleem Malik (PAK) 3 6 0 557 237 92.83 2 1 0 28 Sep 1994 Pakistan Australia in Pakistan Test Series, 1994/95 Younis Khan (PAK) 3 5 0 553 199 110.60 2 2 1 13 Jan 2006 Pakistan India in Pakistan Test Series, 2005/06 ML Hayden (AUS) 3 6 1 549 203 109.80 2 2 0 27 Feb 2001 India Border-Gavaskar Trophy (Australia in India), 2000/01 V Sehwag (INDIA) 3 6 0 544 201 90.66 2 1 0 8 Mar 2005 drawn Pakistan in India Test Series, 2004/05 DA Warner (AUS) 3 6 0 543 145 90.50 3 2 0 12 Feb 2014 Australia Australia in South Africa Test Series, 2013/14 SC Ganguly (INDIA) 3 6 0 534 239 89.00 2 1 0 22 Nov 2007 India Pakistan in India Test Series, 2007/08 RT Ponting (AUS) 3 5 1 523 206 130.75 3 0 0 10 Apr 2003 Australia The Frank Worrell Trophy (Australia in West Indies), 2003 JC Adams (WI) 3 6 3 520 174* 173.33 2 2 0 18 Nov 1994 drawn West Indies in India Test Series, 1994/95 KC Sangakkara (SL) 3 6 0 516 211 86.00 2 2 0 18 Oct 2011 Pakistan Pakistan v Sri Lanka Test Series (in United Arab Emirates), 2011/12 RT Ponting (AUS) 3 6 1 515 143* 103.00 3 2 0 16 Dec 2005 Australia South Africa in Australia Test Series, 2005/06 AH Jones (NZ) 3 6 1 513 186 102.60 3 1 0 31 Jan 1991 drawn Sri Lanka in New Zealand Test Series, 1990/91 MA Taylor (AUS) 3 5 1 513 334* 128.25 1 2 0 1 Oct 1998 Australia Australia in Pakistan Test Series, 1998/99 Younis Khan (PAK) 3 6 1 508 267 101.60 2 1 1 8 Mar 2005 drawn Pakistan in India Test Series, 2004/05 Shoaib Mohammad (PAK) 3 5 2 507 203* 169.00 3 0 0 10 Oct 1990 Pakistan New Zealand in Pakistan Test Series, 1990/91 Javed Miandad (PAK) 3 5 1 504 206 126.00 2 1 0 9 Oct 1976 Pakistan New Zealand in Pakistan Test Series, 1976/77 VVS Laxman (INDIA) 3 6 0 503 281 83.83 1 3 0 27 Feb 2001 India Border-Gavaskar Trophy (Australia in India), 2000/01 4 Indian batsmen are on the list Link to comment
zen Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Some players have scored 500 or more runs in a 2 tests series too View series averages [change view] Qualifications matches played equal to 2 Ordered by runs scored (descending) Page 1 of 122 Showing 1 - 50 of 6097 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Series averages Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 0 Start Date Winner ST Jayasuriya (SL) 2 3 0 571 340 190.33 2 0 0 2 Aug 1997 drawn India in Sri Lanka Test Series, 1997 WR Hammond (ENG) 2 2 1 563 336* 563.00 2 0 0 24 Mar 1933 drawn England in New Zealand Test Series, 1932/33 A Flower (ZIM) 2 4 2 540 232* 270.00 2 2 0 18 Nov 2000 India Zimbabwe in India Test Series, 2000/01 BB McCullum (NZ) 2 4 0 535 302 133.75 2 0 0 6 Feb 2014 New Zealand India in New Zealand Test Series, 2013/14 DPMD Jayawardene (SL) 2 3 0 510 374 170.00 2 0 0 27 Jul 2006 Sri Lanka South Africa in Sri Lanka Test Series, 2006 ML Hayden (AUS) 2 3 1 501 380 250.50 2 0 0 9 Oct 2003 Australia Southern Cross Trophy (Zimbabwe in Australia), 2003/04 Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Don't care what YOU call it. You are a nobody. Bradman was a professional cricketer. His opinion on cricketer > your opinion on cricketer. Simple. We've already shown you how Tendulkar was not a steady-eddy at his peak, but a dominator & destroyer of attacks and doing it more consistently than any other batsman barring Bradman in test history. He succeeded that in more matches more frequently than any other batsman in history. Except he is not a steady-eddy. Guys who dominate an attack while scoring bulk majority of runs are not steady eddys. Seems like you just learnt a new word and are over-eager to use it, even when its usage is wrong. No need to get personal and start throwing abuses.I am just expressing my opinion ,just like Kapil Dev did about Sachin not doing enough with his talent. Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 28 minutes ago, putrevus said: No need to get personal and start throwing abuses.I am just expressing my opinion ,just like Kapil Dev did about Sachin not doing enough with his talent. Sure. But your opinion is inferior to that of experts in the topic, aka the professional, all-time greats and stalwarts of the game. Just like i don't listen to a creationist over a physicist on formation of universe, similarly, experts override your uneducated opinion on the topic. Anyone who thinks Tendulkar was a steady-eddy proves only two things - they are too young to have watched cricket in the 90s and they are too ODI-slanted to understand test cricket. Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, velu said: "inzamam is million times better batsmen than sachin" - miandad Sure. Which is why i said when several expert opinions converge. Not one-off or two-offs. Especially when they come from the same nation's people. Link to comment
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