ShoonyaSifar Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, R!TTER said: This current Aus pace attack was over-hyped as hell, they had worse numbers last years than any other top 5 or 6 test nation, just have a look at worldwide stats! http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25718136/how-good-year-was-2018-bowlers-test-cricket Needless to say they were "unchi dukan pheeke pakwan" Them being overhyped does not make the attack of Gillespie, Kasprowicz, Bracken and Macgill an ATG attack. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) No it doesn't but on pitches, not all but at least a couple, that were conducive for pace & spin, how do their numbers stack against that attack on absolute roads? Needless to say your argument doesn't work if/when you're making a case for this Aus attack to be called anything other than overrated. Edited January 10, 2019 by R!TTER Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, R!TTER said: No it doesn't but on pitches, not all but at least a couple, that were conducive for pace & spin, how do their numbers attack against that attack on absolute roads? Needless to say your argument doesn't work when/if you're making a case for this Aus attack to be called anything other than overrated. Read that post again, I am not even talking about the current attack! On comparisons, you look at performances of bowlers in a particular year and not their overall careers? Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Based on Starc's entire career he is sh!t, & that's being generous! He has 1 great series against minnows SL, albeit in SL, he destroyed Eng at home (sandpaper effect?) & that's all. None of the 4 bowlers in this attack are better than the attack you're comparing in that series individually, possibly with the exception of Cummins. Link to comment
velu Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 dont forget steve bucknor who played for the aussies Ankit_sharma03 1 Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, R!TTER said: Based on Starc's entire career he is sh!t, & that's being generous! He has 1 great series against minnows SL, albeit in SL, he destroyed Eng at home (sandpaper effect?) & that's all. None of the 4 bowlers in this attack are better than the attack you're comparing in that series individually, possibly with the exception of Cummins. Kasprowicz with a career average of 33, Bracken with 42 and Brad WIlliams with 45 are better bowlers than guys averaging 28 and 26. Not worth debating further. I concede, all those guys were ATG bowlers as you say. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 You're counting the 4 worst bowlers aye, what a genius! Then why don't we count MM & Labuschagne, some greats they are! Yup, I give up Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 See thats what happens when you jump into discussions and start shooting off. Discussion was about the Aussies bowling attack of 2003-04 series being ATG. Who were the Aussie bowlers in that series - Lee (career average 31), Gillespie (27), Kasprowicz (33), Bracken (42), Williams (45) and Macgill (29). You then got the current attack into it and use their performance this year to prove they are worse (which was not even being discussed). Anyways, for comparison purposes, this attack has Starc (29), Hazlewood (26), Cummins (24) and Lyon (32). Enough spoon feeding. Now read your responses again before jumping around. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I am comparing the best 4 from that attack to the best 4 in this, you somehow remember the worst of them & then compare to this overrated attack? Spoon feeding me, wow you've some over-inflated opinion of yourself! This attack was outperformed by every other attack either away or home+away by the top 5 test nations in the past 3 years! Yet you can't see the blindingly obvious? If this attack is so great why didn't they force India to collapse more than once, in Perth, on more helpful tracks? You're also forgetting this is the probably the second worst batting, from Ind, lineup visiting Aus in the last 20 odd years. The one in 2004 was arguably the best, even better than some of Eng/SA at their peak. Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 On 1/9/2019 at 6:44 AM, Trichromatic said: McGill and Gillespie will walk into current side I doubt it, Gillespsie is not better than the three fast bowlers on current team. Lyonis 100 times better than Mcgill. Jimmy Cliff 1 Link to comment
Adi BB Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 The current Indian team has a bowling line up which is miles better than the 2004 one ,I think that team would win the series had they too won the toss in 3 occasions ,most likely 2-1 including a full test in Sydney. this team would have won 3-1 but for rain in Sydney . Tbh the 2007-08 Indian team was better balanced than 2003 due to better Pacers especially a fit zak and a batting line up much better than the current lot. The 2007 Australian side was a ruthless one and on a 16 match winning streak ,Lee,stuart Clarke were in great form and batting too was deep Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 hours ago, putrevus said: I doubt it, Gillespsie is not better than the three fast bowlers on current team. Lyonis 100 times better than Mcgill. GIllespie is miles ahead of Starc and similar level at Hazelwood. 100 times better than McGill. That's just random statement. Better avg, better SR, Same no of 5-fers in less matches. On what basis Lyon is 100 times better. Lyon has DRS advantage and more spin friendly pitches in Aus and poor batsmen of spin. McGill is 100 times better than Lyon. Laaloo 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: GIllespie is miles ahead of Starc and similar level at Hazelwood. 100 times better than McGill. That's just random statement. Better avg, better SR, Same no of 5-fers in less matches. On what basis Lyon is 100 times better. Lyon has DRS advantage and more spin friendly pitches in Aus and poor batsmen of spin. McGill is 100 times better than Lyon. How is he miles ahead of Starc, Starc in 49 tests has more 5fers and also more 10fers.Jason had Mcgrath and Warne at the other end to support him. We all saw how good he was he 2003-04 without Mcgrath and Warne.He took 10 wickets @ 37.10. He was good support bowler where as Starc is lead bowler. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, putrevus said: How is he miles ahead of Starc, Starc in 49 tests has more 5fers and also more 10fers.Jason had Mcgrath and Warne at the other end to support him. We all saw how good he was he 2003-04 without Mcgrath and Warne.He took 10 wickets @ 37.10. He was good support bowler where as Starc is lead bowler. Starc is nothing without sandpaper. He is at Ishant Sharma v1 level. Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Trichromatic said: Starc is nothing without sandpaper. He is at Ishant Sharma v1 level. Hehe that is so easy to say now, he still had better stats than Jason's 2003-04 series.Starc is 100 times better than Ishant with or without sandpaper. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 49 minutes ago, putrevus said: Hehe that is so easy to say now, he still had better stats than Jason's 2003-04 series.Starc is 100 times better than Ishant with or without sandpaper. Ishant can outbowl Starc in most of the countries. Gillespie avg 26 and Starc 29 for a reason. Gillespie avg 37 with McGrath and Warns. Starc avg 46 without sandpaper. Bowler who took 9 wickets with sandpaper suddenly became mediocre even on bowling friendly pitches. He was worst pacer of 6 from both sides in recent series Link to comment
Laaloo Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 That Australian team had a batting lineup of Langer Hayden Ponting Martyn Waugh Katich Gilly Their worst batsman was katich who would probably be the best batsman in the 2018 test series for Aus. Adi BB, Ankit_sharma03 and putrevus 3 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Laaloo said: That Australian team had a batting lineup of Langer Hayden Ponting Martyn Waugh Katich Gilly Their worst batsman was katich who would probably be the best batsman in the 2018 test series for Aus. Add 2 bowlers. 9 players from that would walk into current Aus team. Laaloo and Adi BB 2 Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Ishant can outbowl Starc in most of the countries. Gillespie avg 26 and Starc 29 for a reason. Gillespie avg 37 with McGrath and Warns. Starc avg 46 without sandpaper. Bowler who took 9 wickets with sandpaper suddenly became mediocre even on bowling friendly pitches. He was worst pacer of 6 from both sides in recent series How much did Starc average this series again???? Even Jason would take Starc over himself. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, putrevus said: How much did Starc average this series again???? Even Jason would take Starc over himself. 35 on bowling friendly pitches and against weak batting. Even Starc would take Jason over himself. Link to comment
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