So we didn’t lose in any format on an overseas tour without the next “Kapil Dev”

[Ankit_sharma03]

15 minutes ago, Khota said:

There are lot of hitters in India. He has good pace and just needs to learn control.

name the ones who are better then him or atleast as good as him

15 minutes ago, Khota said:

 

There are not too many pace bowlers and he is a very good athlete to go with it. He needs to pick one trade and stick with it. 

I can name many many pace bowlers 

[maniac]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

name the ones who are better then him or atleast as good as him

I can name many many pace bowlers 

Why do you need a hitter in test cricket

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 minutes ago, maniac said:

Why do you need a hitter in test cricket

that was in response this 

 

9 hours ago, Khota said:

He has a bright future if he focusses on bowling.

 

[putrevus]

You don't need a power hitter who can get you at best 20 runs with his bat , but give away 70 runs with ball. Pandya adds negative value to the team. Shankar is ditto. You don't need these so called allrounders who are worthless unless they can justify their place in the team as batsmen or bowler.

 

Jadhav works becuase he is good enough batsman who can score 100 or help you team win with bat like he did in last match.He walks into the team as batsman, his bowling is a plus.

 

Pandya/Shankar to cement their places have to be good enough to bowl their 10 overs every match or they add no value.They just don't have the ability to win you matches with bat. Their useless 20 runs is not needed.

 

Karthik also has to go , he cannot be in the team just for his 20 runs.

[express bowling]

12 minutes ago, maniac said:

The basic premise of the thread even though in a lighter vein addresses this simple fact.

 

We don’t actually need to manufacture an allrounder to win overseas and it is not a must in tests as was being told to us all these days.

 

As you yourself mentioned, 2-3 batsmen stood up and delivered and the bowling unit was fantastic backed up by good fielding.

 

Now I highlighted that part of your post  because it shouldn’t come down to Vihari vs Pandya but it should be Vihari vs whoever the next potential middle order bat  who earned his shot through consistent performances.

 

Pandya is neither a full time batsman nor a bowler. He has some great qualities that make him indispensable for the short format but doesn’t have the discipline to play test cricket. 

 

Test cap  is valuable and should not be handed over to anyone. 

 

Shaw,Pant were fast tracked based on their u-19 potential followed up by a great FC season. Vihari and Mayank got a shot for toiling and performing for years in domestics.

 

Pandya needs to go back to the drawing board and work on one skill in FC and since he has that in built ability in the other, he will make a great asset. Till then we don’t need to play him just for the heck of it.

 

Its glass half-full half-empty situation, while no.6 batsman didn’t have an impact , Pandya not being there didn’t impact either.

 

@Samcric that covers your post as well

 

 

We need 5 bowling options in tests on flat tracks or on tracks which may support pace bowling in the first 3 days and spin bowling in the next 2 days.

 

Moreover ... Pandya is a good batsman on flat tracks.  He is not a bits and pieces player then.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 minutes ago, putrevus said:

You don't need a power hitter who can get you at best 20 runs with his bat , but give away 70 runs with ball. Pandya adds negative value to the team. Shankar is ditto. You don't need these so called allrounders who are worthless unless they can justify their place in the team as batsmen or bowler.

Pandya eco is 5.5 , one what basis are u claiming he gives 70 runs 

7 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Pandya/Shankar to cement their places have to be good enough to bowl their 10 overs every match or they add no value.They just don't have the ability to win you matches with bat. Their useless 20 runs is not needed.

Pandya doesnt have the ability to win u games with the bat 

Shankar played a key role in NZ-A series with bat only 

7 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

Karthik also has to go , he cannot be in the team just for his 20 runs.

No karthikk, pandya, shankar- so whats ur plan fpr lower order btw ....jadhav cant play at 2-3 positions alone

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Pandya eco is 5.5 , one what basis are u claiming he gives 70 runs 

Pandya doesnt have the ability to win u games with the bat 

Shankar played a key role in NZ-A series with bat only 

No karthikk, pandya, shankar- so whats ur plan fpr lower order btw ....jadhav cant play at 2-3 positions alone

I don't care about his eco overall, this is what Pandya will give on flat pitch in SENA countries. Other than his useless score in CT , he has done nothing with the bat.

 

I am so glad that he is not in the team as Kohli is a moron he will play him. Shankar will be exposed in NZ and they will know how useless he is with ball. 

 

For India to win you need five proper bowlers and if anybody is not good  get some new bowler .

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, putrevus said:

I don't care about his eco overall, this is what Pandya will give on flat pitch in SENA countries.

Pandya has given 70 runs once in his 41 match career

What a probability 1/41 to base ur logic on 

His Eco was under 5 in Sa- 4.91

In Eng- 6.33 still under 7, where everyone was tonked 

Just now, putrevus said:

 

Other than his useless score in CT , he has done nothing with the bat.

U didnt see his innings in chennai i guess .

At 7 u dnt get a lot of chances....no one looks at those small cameos which come in handy 

Just now, putrevus said:

 

 am so glad that he is not in the team as Kohli is a moron he will play him. Shankar will be exposed in NZ and they will know how useless he is with ball. 

Only ur the one who is glad 

Everyone is useless so whats ur plan genius for 5th , 6th bowler

Just now, putrevus said:

 

For India to win you need five proper bowlers and if anybody is not good  get some new bowler .

we had jadeja for yrs n yrs .....how did that work out 

[Khota]

45 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

name the ones who are better then him or atleast as good as him

I can name many many pace bowlers 

Pretty much anyone.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, Khota said:

Pretty much anyone.

name them???

hai hi nahin 

[JourneyMan]

Narrowly beating the Australian B team does not turn you into the invincibles. 

 

Then again, if you prefer to have the likes of Rayudu representing India in the World Cup then don't cry when they get eliminated in the first round. 

[putrevus]

13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Pandya has given 70 runs once in his 41 match career

What a probability 1/41 to base ur logic on 

His Eco was under 5 in Sa- 4.91

In Eng- 6.33 still under 7, where everyone was tonked 

U didnt see his innings in chennai i guess .

At 7 u dnt get a lot of chances....no one looks at those small cameos which come in handy 

Only ur the one who is glad 

Everyone is useless so whats ur plan genius for 5th , 6th bowler

we had jadeja for yrs n yrs .....how did that work out 

Where is world cup being played, I said Pandya will not work in SENA countries as he is not good enough batsman who can hit good fast bowling nor he is good enough bowler who can bowl his 10 overs and keep up the pressure created by opening bowlers.

 

He might work in India as spinners will be more in charge there and he can use the pressure created by them. You don't sacrifice 10 overs in hope of a cameo which may or may not come.

 

We saw already in England this year how well he did with both bat and ball in odis. He is a liability in SENA countries as he will release the pressure created by opening bowlers and give other teams a chance to score bigger totals.

 

Jadeja needs right pitches , when he gets them he will win match like he did in CT 2013.But I never said Jadeja has play in place of Pandya.Why are you bringing Jadeja into it.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Where is world cup being played,

The place where tonked pakistan twice in that CT

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I said Pandya will not work in SENA countries as he is not good enough batsman who can hit good fast bowling nor he is good enough bowler who can bowl his 10 overs and keep up the pressure created by opening bowlers.

yes a not good enough bowler having an under 5 eco in SA

The guy got a MOM for his bowling on debut 

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

He might work in India as spinners will be more in charge there and he can use the pressure created by them. You don't sacrifice 10 overs in hope of a cameo which may or may not come.

Spinners will play a huge role on Eng Pattas as well 

At-7 u need cameos , 100s are hardly scored at 7 .....those cameos makes 290 to 330 scores which is what wins u games

having a 5.5 eco is sacrificing 

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

We saw already in England this year how well he did with both bat and ball in odis. He is a liability in SENA countries as he will release the pressure created by opening bowlers and give other teams a chance to score bigger totals.

Yes he won u the only test in eng and his 4 wkt spell in t20 help us win final t20 in eng

 

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

Jadeja needs right pitches , when he gets them he will win match like he did in CT 2013.But I never said Jadeja has play in place of Pandya.Why are you bringing Jadeja into it.

CT 2013 had diff rules and now its diff rules

Same jadeja was ineffective in CT 2017 and his batting is such a minus in LOI ...lets not forget his foolish runnings 

 

No jadeja, pandya, karthik, shankar. So whose ur number 7 ??

[maniac]

Just a simple question, Pandya has been rehabbing for long time and played one Ranji game, had a long vacation in Australia then banned again.

 

people are expecting him to come back and start winning games   . Even someone who was on the cusp of being an ATG like Smith can be rusty and no guarantee will be the same player but Pandya who has done jack so far is the MVP.

 

I mean there are serious expectations here.

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

The place where tonked pakistan twice in that CT

yes a not good enough bowler having an under 5 eco in SA

The guy got a MOM for his bowling on debut 

Spinners will play a huge role on Eng Pattas as well 

At-7 u need cameos , 100s are hardly scored at 7 .....those cameos makes 290 to 330 scores which is what wins u games

having a 5.5 eco is sacrificing 

Yes he won u the only test in eng and his 4 wkt spell in t20 help us win final t20 in eng

 

CT 2013 had diff rules and now its diff rules

Same jadeja was ineffective in CT 2017 and his batting is such a minus in LOI ...lets not forget his foolish runnings 

 

No jadeja, pandya, karthik, shankar. So whose ur number 7 ??

I know Pandya tonked that left armer in first match against Pakistan  and in finals if they had a proper fast bowler India would have been chasing 260 plus total instead of 330. You are proving your own point Pandya is not good enough bowler as is but if one of the main bowlers like Bumrah had a bad day in CT finals, it is curtains for India.

 

All Pandya can provide at best a cameo and it is not worth a spot in playing 11 at the expense of a proper fast bowler.

 

India to win have to play Kulcha and if they both have to play you need three proper fast bowlers.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I know Pandya tonked that left armer in first match against Pakistan  and in finals if they had a proper fast bowler India would have been chasing 260 plus total instead of 330.

We had 2 proper fast bowler- one was bumrah best in the country if he cudnt what chance other had and it was their day

If pandya wasnt their the defeat wud have been even more shameful

 

Pandya stats day was 53/1...he was our 2nd best so how did he hurt us that ur saying 330 wud have been 260. 

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

You are proving your own point Pandya is not good enough bowler as is but if one of the main bowlers like Bumrah had a bad day in CT finals, it is curtains for India.

Pandya is not a bowler he is an all rounder 

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

All Pandya can provide at best a cameo and it is not worth a spot in playing 11 at the expense of a proper fast bowler.

At 7 u dnt get 100s.....

 

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

India to win have to play Kulcha and if they both have to play you need three proper fast bowlers.

that makes u batting n lower order hitting very week 

[putrevus]

32 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

We had 2 proper fast bowler- one was bumrah best in the country if he cudnt what chance other had and it was their day

If pandya wasnt their the defeat wud have been even more shameful

 

Pandya stats day was 53/1...he was our 2nd best so how did he hurt us that ur saying 330 wud have been 260. 

Pandya is not a bowler he is an all rounder 

At 7 u dnt get 100s.....

 

that makes u batting n lower order hitting very week 

We don't need all rounder. Anybody can have a bad day.Bumrah had on that finals.If they had other proper fast bowler like Shami he would have picked up that slack. Pakistan had no business of scoring 330 on that day.

There is no such thing called allrounder.Allrounder has to justify his spot either as a bowler or batsman. His secondary skill is plus.Jadhav is batsman first then bowler.

For India to win they have to bank on restricting other teams as  they won't outhit other teams.They have awful middle order.So Pandya at no7 will not be a difference between win or loss.But Pandya the bowler will be difference in every match.

For Pandya to work you need two other bits and pieces players who are power hitters and also share bowling.India does not have them.

Edited January 19, 2019 by putrevus

[Khota]

58 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

name them???

hai hi nahin 

Anyone who is batting above him. I would take the following above him:

 

Agarwal

Vihari

Karthick

and the list goes on and on.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

Anyone who is batting above him. I would take the following above him:

 

Agarwal

Aggarwal is an opener not a no.7 batsman

1 hour ago, Khota said:

Vihari

If he was a hitter he wud have been sitting at home in last few IPL. His s/r is not gr8 

1 hour ago, Khota said:

Karthick

KArthik cnt bowl 

1 hour ago, Khota said:

and the list goes on and on.

the list is rubbish 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

We don't need all rounder.

Every team needs one n plays to 

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Anybody can have a bad day.Bumrah had on that finals.If they had other proper fast bowler like Shami he would have picked up that slack. Pakistan had no business of scoring 330 on that day.

If n buts 

any team can on their day and it was their day 

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

There is no such thing called allrounder.Allrounder has to justify his spot either as a bowler or batsman. His secondary skill is plus.Jadhav is batsman first then bowler.

bookish **** 

a player who contributes to the team is always value-able . Jadhav aint a bowler he is a part timer 

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

For India to win they have to bank on restricting other teams as  they won't outhit other teams.They have awful middle order.So Pandya at no7 will not be a difference between win or loss.But Pandya the bowler will be difference in every match.

We have slow middle orde thats were pandya s/r is a huge bonus and thats were we lacked big time with jadeja

Raina in 2011 was also a huge plus at 7

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

For Pandya to work you need two other bits and pieces players who are power hitters and also share bowling.India does not have them.

we have like shankar, krunal n even jadhav....but we have to stop going only with 5 bowlers