The All-rounder Watch Thread

[express bowling]

On 1/29/2019 at 10:09 PM, Straight Drive said:

Yes, Shami and Ganguly  were two good cricketers from Bengal to have succeeded at international level. That's it.

 

Shute Banerjee was a genuine fast-medium bowler in the 1930s and 1940s.  And averaged in the mid 20s in FC cricket.  How a bowler of such lively pace in that era, with a low FC average, did not get to play sufficiently for India is a mystery.  He picked 5 wickets in the only test he played for India and never played again.

 

Utpal " David "  Chatterjee was another really good spinner  Had picked up 500+ FC wickets at an average of around 24.  He was a Jadeja-type quick left-armer who had a knack of picking wickets.  Should have got a few international games to showcase his mettle.

 

Saha, of course, every one knows about.  One of the best in terms of pure keeping.

 

Till the mid-1990s, most Indian players used to be chosen from 3 or 4 states only  ...  and players of all other states missed out due to this.

Edited February 3, 2019 by express bowling

[Straight Drive]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Shute Banerjee was a genuine fast-medium bowler in the 1930s and 1940s.  And averaged in the mid 20s in FC cricket.  How a bowler of such lively pace in that era, with a low FC average, did not get to play sufficiently for India is a mystery.  He picked 5 wickets in the only test he played for India and never played again.

 

Utpal " David "  Chatterjee was another really good spinner  Had picked up 500+ FC wickets at an average of around 24.  He was a Jadeja-type quick left-armer who had a knack of picking wickets.  Should have got a few international games to showcase his mettle.

 

Saha, of course, every one knows about.  One of the best in terms of pure keeping.

 

Till the mid-1990s, most Indian players used to be chosen from 3 or 4 states only  ...  and players of all other states missed out due to this.

Bengal needs to win more Ranji trophies to get their players and team recognized and then it becomes easy to make into the international team. 

 

KKR too needs to pick local cricketers to develop them for LOI and give them chance to perform in IPL so that they get recognition if they perform well. Doubt they have even one local player in KKR. 

[express bowling]

30 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Bengal needs to win more Ranji trophies to get their players and team recognized and then it becomes easy to make into the international team. 

 

KKR too needs to pick local cricketers to develop them for LOI and give them chance to perform in IPL so that they get recognition if they perform well. Doubt they have even one local player in KKR. 

 

What I would like to see is ... special players getting chances in Team India from every part of India, even if their Ranji teams are not that good or even if their IPL teams do not promote local talent.

 

This has been happened more and more in the last 15 years though.

 

Just think of the talent that a place like UP has ...  Kuldeep, Mavi, Bhuvi, Rajpoot etc.  But how many players have we seen from UP before 2005  ?

 

Kerala is another place which is getting ignored even now.

 

Rajasthan is another talent hotbed.  So is MP.   

 

Players from these states need to play for Team India even if their state teams don't do well or they do not represent a big IPL team.

 

 

[Straight Drive]

20 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

What I would like to see is ... special players getting chances in Team India from every part of India, even if their Ranji teams are not that good or even if their IPL teams do not promote local talent.

 

This has been happened more and more in the last 15 years though.

 

Just think of the talent that a place like UP has ...  Kuldeep, Mavi, Bhuvi, Rajpoot etc.  But how many players have we seen from UP before 2005  ?

 

Kerala is another place which is getting ignored even now.

 

Rajasthan is another talent hotbed.  So is MP.   

 

Players from these states need to play for Team India even if their state teams don't do well or they do not represent a big IPL team.

 

 

Things are indeed changing. Vidharbha won the Ranji last year but only Umesh Yadav was in main teams. That too probably because he was well experienced prior to the win. Rajneesh Gurbani made the A team thoug but he did merit the selection. But it didn't happen that Vidharbha players were picked in majority. 

 

Pant plays for Dare Devil's. Even though the team is one of the worst performer, if not the worst performer, they selected Pant for LOI on basis of IPL form.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 3, 2019 by Straight Drive

[Khota]

Once again the guy who leaked the most runs is Pandya:

BOWLING	O	M	R	W	ECON	0s	4s	6s	WD	NB
B Kumar	7.1	0	38	1	5.30	27	3	2	0	0
Mohammed Shami	8	0	35	2	4.37	30	4	0	1	0
HH Pandya	8	1	50	2	6.25	28	4	3	1	0
V Shankar	4	0	19	0	4.75	12	2	0	0	0
YS Chahal	10	0	41	3	4.10	29	2	0	0	0
KM Jadhav	7	0	34	1	4.85	17	2	0	1	0

[Ankit_sharma03]

16 minutes ago, Khota said:

Once again the guy who leaked the most runs is Pandya:

BOWLING	O	M	R	W	ECON	0s	4s	6s	WD	NB
B Kumar	7.1	0	38	1	5.30	27	3	2	0	0
Mohammed Shami	8	0	35	2	4.37	30	4	0	1	0
HH Pandya	8	1	50	2	6.25	28	4	3	1	0
V Shankar	4	0	19	0	4.75	12	2	0	0	0
YS Chahal	10	0	41	3	4.10	29	2	0	0	0
KM Jadhav	7	0	34	1	4.85	17	2	0	1	0

doesnt matter in the end of the innings someone will leak more then other 4, he took 4 wkts n made 45 ....his contribution in the end is equal to almost a 100 

 

[Khota]

26 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

doesnt matter in the end of the innings someone will leak more then other 4, he took 4 wkts n made 45 ....his contribution in the end is equal to almost a 100 

 

Someone just happens to be the all rounder all the time. Do you see a pattern here?

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Khota said:

Someone just happens to be the all rounder all the time. Do you see a pattern here?

4th odi- 

BOWLING	O	M	R	W	ECON	0s	4s	6s	WD	NB
B Kumar	5	1	25	2	5.00	22	3	1	0	0
KK Ahmed	3	0	19	0	6.33	12	4	0	0	1
HH Pandya	3	0	15	0	5.00	12	1	1	0	0
YS Chahal	2.4	0	32	0	12.00	5	2	3	0	0
Kuldeep Yadav	1	0	2	0	2.00	4	0	0	0	0

 

BOWLING	O	M	R	W	ECON	0s	4s	6s	WD	NB
B Kumar	10	1	46	2	4.60	33	4	1	1	0
Mohammed Shami	9	0	41	3	4.55	29	3	1	1	0
YS Chahal	9	0	51	2	5.66	23	3	1	0	0
HH Pandya	10	0	45	2	4.50	37	3	0	4	0
Kuldeep Yadav	8	0	39	0	4.87	20	2	0	0	0
KM Jadhav	3	0	17	0	5.66	8	2	0	1	0

 

 

U really need to start watching some cricket before making wrong comments n making a fool out of ur self. See the stats above of last 2 odi do u see pandya stats as worst - NO

 

Now do u see the pattern of urself that bringing out just that stat on days were u can show , forgot sake he played a huge role....stop making a fool out of urself by picking such petty things. N stop talking about economy when u want Umesh yadav in the squad

[Khota]

22 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

4th odi- 

BOWLING	O	M	R	W	ECON	0s	4s	6s	WD	NB
B Kumar	5	1	25	2	5.00	22	3	1	0	0
KK Ahmed	3	0	19	0	6.33	12	4	0	0	1
HH Pandya	3	0	15	0	5.00	12	1	1	0	0
YS Chahal	2.4	0	32	0	12.00	5	2	3	0	0
Kuldeep Yadav	1	0	2	0	2.00	4	0	0	0	0

 

BOWLING	O	M	R	W	ECON	0s	4s	6s	WD	NB
B Kumar	10	1	46	2	4.60	33	4	1	1	0
Mohammed Shami	9	0	41	3	4.55	29	3	1	1	0
YS Chahal	9	0	51	2	5.66	23	3	1	0	0
HH Pandya	10	0	45	2	4.50	37	3	0	4	0
Kuldeep Yadav	8	0	39	0	4.87	20	2	0	0	0
KM Jadhav	3	0	17	0	5.66	8	2	0	1	0

 

 

U really need to start watching some cricket before making wrong comments n making a fool out of ur self. See the stats above of last 2 odi do u see pandya stats as worst - NO

 

Now do u see the pattern of urself that bringing out just that stat on days were u can show , forgot sake he played a huge role....stop making a fool out of urself by picking such petty things. N stop talking about economy when u want Umesh yadav in the squad

Would you care to put stats fopr all 5 games? No. As it is the allrounder who is the culprit all the time.

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 minutes ago, Khota said:

Would you care to put stats fopr all 5 games? No. As it is the allrounder who is the culprit all the time.

yaar tu match kyun nhin dekhta, pandya tha kya pehle 2 match nhin na 

[Khota]

11 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yaar tu match kyun nhin dekhta, pandya tha kya pehle 2 match nhin na 

jo tha uske liye tune ek aur dhaga bna diya hai. woh bhi to allrounder tha.

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, Khota said:

jo tha uske liye tune ek aur dhaga bna diya hai. woh bhi to allrounder tha.

wo all rounder nhin hai , he is a batsman who can bowl like jadhav

[philcric]

So much dishonesty in some of the posts.

 

Pandya 45(22), 8-1-50-2 ...

accused of 'leaking' runs discounting his 2 wickets and 45 runs he scored at 200+ SR.

 

PS: Even the runs he gave away came at the fag end when the match was done and dusted and the Doug Bracewell was swinging at everything.

[Khota]

Played three ARs today.

Result: Humiliating defeat.

Highest runs leaked by Pandya.

Can't score any run.

Let us play more all rounders now.

 

I am appaled at the lack of knowledege and acumen of the majority of haters. all rounders do not exist.

[philcric]

Causation, Correlation.

 

[philcric]

Must drop the specialist bowlers. 2 of them went for 10+ more runs than an all-rounder.

 

Also drop the specialist batsmen. 3 of them scored 1,4,5. The 3 all-rounders scored 27,4,20.

 

 

In line with other idiotic posts on this thread. Appalled at the lack of knowledge indeed. And sample sets, statistically significant data and missing forest for the trees.

 

Edited February 6, 2019 by philcric

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, Khota said:

Played three ARs today.

Result: Humiliating defeat.

Highest runs leaked by Pandya.

Can't score any run.

Let us play more all rounders now.

 

I am appaled at the lack of knowledege and acumen of the majority of haters. all rounders do not exist.

as to what the specialist DK did neither made runs and dropped doilies . What did other specilaist do btw in both batting n bowling n who didnt go for runs...didnt other pandya leaked less . 

Such a one eye to prove ur point, whole team failed. please do mention what u feel about DK dropping 2 catches hadnt he dropped 2nd one hardik wud have had his 3rd wkt

[Gollum]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

as to what the specialist DK did neither made runs and dropped doilies . What did other specilaist do btw in both batting n bowling n who didnt go for runs...didnt other pandya leaked less . 

Such a one eye to prove ur point, whole team failed. please do mention what u feel about DK dropping 2 catches hadnt he dropped 2nd one hardik wud have had his 3rd wkt

Dude why do you even bother wasting time with a troll? Sorry, had to say it, some members with their stupid opinions are dragging down the quality of the cricket discussion on this forum.  

Either that person is ignorant about the game or he has unlimited time for arguing stupid points and provoking reactions which he enjoys, in any case best to save your time and posts for more worthy topics. Can't believe this troll thread is running into the 3rd page. 

[zen]

Scenario 1

• SR required 235+
• big hitting AR goes for quick runs to win the game for Ind (and not unnecessarily drag it) but gets out 
• Threads like this -> he failed 

 

Scenario 2

• AR bowler goes for 50 runs and picks up 2 wkts. avg 25
• Specialist bowler goes for 48 runs and picks up 1 wkt. avg 48
• Threads like this ->AR failed 

 

[philcric]

39 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

as to what the specialist DK did neither made runs and dropped doilies . What did other specilaist do btw in both batting n bowling n who didnt go for runs...didnt other pandya leaked less . 

Such a one eye to prove ur point, whole team failed. please do mention what u feel about DK dropping 2 catches hadnt he dropped 2nd one hardik wud have had his 3rd wkt

 

Krunal also could have got 2 more wickets.

 

1 caught and bowled chance, the non-striker came in the way.

1 catch dropped in the deep, by DK I think.