Speed & Performance of Indian and Foreign Speed Merchants in IPL 2019

[Mosher]

Brilliant yorker by Ishant at 145.4. Cleans up Williamson.

Edited May 8, 2019 by Mosher

[express bowling]

Khaleel 1st over  

 

Slower ... bouncer ... 0

133 ... 4

137 ... short ... 4

Slower

Slower ... 4

Slower     

 

12 runs in that over.

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

This vizag ground haS the potential to be another chinnaswamy ,small boundary and pace and bounce perfect for hitting pacers.

but does not have the altitude that is the biggest factor in Chinna

[Mosher]

Khaleel bounces out Shaw. 141kph bouncer. He can bowl these quick bouncers, why does he prefer to trundle?

[rkt.india]

1 minute ago, Mosher said:

Khaleel bounces out Shaw. 141kph bouncer. He can bowl these quick bouncers, why does he prefer to trundle?

He uses quick ones as surprise.  He mixes his pace well.  This is the biggest reason he is getting so many wickets this IPL.  He surprises batsmen with extra bounce and pace while bowling 132, bowls next ball at 142 while batsman is not ready.  That is a great thought process.

Edited May 8, 2019 by rkt.india

[express bowling]

Khaleel 2nd over

 

135 .... 1

------  .... OUT

132 ... 1

Slower ... 1

131 ... 1

141 ... bounces OUT Shaw

[rkt.india]

2 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

The most number of sixes is at Eden not chinna.

You are wrong.  Chinna has the most number of sixes in IPL history.  over 500 sixes.  Eden has less than 400 sixes.

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

He uses quick ones as surprise.  He mixes his pace well.  This is the biggest reason he is getting so many wickets this IPL.  He surprises batsmen with extra bounce and pace while bowling 132, bowls next ball at 142 while batsman is not ready.  That is a great thought process.

 

May work in T20s, where batters are always trying to hit.

 

But Khaleel tries the same approach in ODIs too, where batters are not trying to hit as much ... and more test-match-type bowling is needed in the first 43 overs, with occasional variations.

Edited May 8, 2019 by express bowling

[Suhaan]

28 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Lee analyzed khaleel's action,says he has the potential to clock 150 ,if he sorts out his action 

For Lee,even Unadcutter has scope of reaching 150+,he just needs to bowl with his both arms folded and right eye should point mid on with both legs going in opposite direction

 

Don't want to offend fellow members here just kidding

[rkt.india]

14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

May work in T20s, where batters are always trying to hit.

 

But he tries the same approach in ODIs too, where batters are not trying to hit as much ... and more test-match-type bowling is needed in the first 43 overs, with occasional variations.

i think this approach will work in every format.  Lot of great bowlers have used this approach.

[rkt.india]

8 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

That was due to old Eden pitch ,check last 2 seasons ,this season Eden has most number of sixes .

They have Russel to do that.  RCB lost Gayle and they dont have anyone who can match Russel.  Russel can do that on any ground.

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

i think this approach will work in every format.  Lot of great bowlers have used this approach.

 

Show me some pacers who have used this approach to be really successful in tests and ODIs.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Show me some pacers who have used this approach to be really successful in tests and ODIs.

Dale Steyn the biggest example.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, MultiB48 said:

Every team has big hitters ,you could use the same reason for rcb's 6 count in the past rather than altitude.

Altitude is a big reason for those sixes. You can check the huge difference between other venues. Even Eden isn't a big ground. Chinna pitch also does help spin.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Dale Steyn the biggest example.

 

Steyn does not depend on frequent variations to take wickets in tests or ODIs.

 

As far as the technique of using the faster ball is concerned, almost all pacers use it.   But it becomes more effective in the longer formats when a pacer can bowl a 147 k ball after bowling a couple of 140 k balls ... rather than a 140 k ball after a couple of 133 k balls.

[MCcricket]

19 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Steyn does not depend on frequent variations to take wickets in tests or ODIs.

 

As far as the technique of using the faster ball is concerned, almost all pacers use it.   But it becomes more effective in the longer formats when a pacer can bowl a 147 k ball after bowling a couple of 140 k balls ... rather than a 140 k ball after a couple of 133 k balls.

I agree, now is the time when you are young and have a chance to build pace, Khalil has a capacity to be a fast bowler who can rattle the batsmen, he goes overboard with slower ones and variations. If he is accurate and bowls with pace and has skills, the odd bouncer or Yorker slow one will keep batsmen guessing and not other way round. He should look at Mitchell Johnson, Md Amir when he was bowling well and not sell himself short

[rkt.india]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Steyn does not depend on frequent variations to take wickets in tests or ODIs.

 

As far as the technique of using the faster ball is concerned, almost all pacers use it.   But it becomes more effective in the longer formats when a pacer can bowl a 147 k ball after bowling a couple of 140 k balls ... rather than a 140 k ball after a couple of 133 k balls.

I don't call it variations. Bowling 140-147 isn't that different and won't difference. First need to understand how batsmen reaction work as they don't have a lot of reaction time. They set reaction time according to a bowler's pace. A bowler bowling 140 or more consistently is different than a bowler bowling 4 ball is an over at 132 and then change it up to 142. This is what surprises batsmen because batsman isn't ready as his reaction is set to face 130 kph and when he suddenly gets 140 plus, he is late on it. I will give another example. Recently chawla bowled a 120 kph seam up delivery to Pandya who got beaten for pace and missed it, ball went for four byes just missing the stumps. Now if a pacer would bowl at that pace, he would be called a trundler and would not beat any batsman with that pace but Chawla had beaten Pandya by 120kph delivery. Why? The reason is Pandya wasn't ready for that pace. He was expecting a 85-90 mph slow pace bowling from Chawla. His reaction time was set according to that and when suddenly he gets 120 kph, he gets late on it. Also if Chawla starts bowling 115-120 kph sesm up, he will become predictable and batsmen will start thrashing him at that. I remember Dale Steyn once bounced out Dhoni when he suddenly produced a 143 kph bouncer from bowling 130 odd kph previously. I don't it's the high pace that troubles batsmen but their different reactions to it does. If you bowl what a batsman is not expecting that deceives the batsman. Khaleel has so successfully exploited this method this IPL. He has deceived and beaten them for pace even at 141kph while some bowlers could not do that even at 150 kph.  It's the batsmen's reaction time that has done it for him.

[express bowling]

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

I don't call it variations. Bowling 140-147 isn't that different and won't difference. First need to understand how batsmen reaction work as they don't have a lot of reaction time. They set reaction time according to a bowler's pace. A bowler bowling 140 or more consistently is different than a bowler bowling 4 ball is an over at 132 and then change it up to 142. This is what surprises batsmen because batsman isn't ready as his reaction is set to face 130 kph and when he suddenly gets 140 plus, he is late on it. I will give another example. Recently chawla bowled a 120 kph seam up delivery to Pandya who got beaten for pace and missed it, ball went for four byes just missing the stumps. Now if a pacer would bowl at that pace, he would be called a trundler and would not beat any batsman with that pace but Chawla had beaten Pandya by 120kph delivery. Why? The reason is Pandya wasn't ready for that pace. He was expecting a 85-90 mph slow pace bowling from Chawla. His reaction time was set according to that and when suddenly he gets 120 kph, he gets late on it. Also if Chawla starts bowling 115-120 kph sesm up, he will become predictable and batsmen will start thrashing him at that. I remember Dale Steyn once bounced out Dhoni when he suddenly produced a 143 kph bouncer from bowling 130 odd kph previously. I don't it's the high pace that troubles batsmen but their different reactions to it does. If you bowl what a batsman is not expecting that deceives the batsman. Khaleel has so successfully exploited this method this IPL. He has deceived and beaten them for pace even at 141kph while some bowlers could not do that even at 150 kph.  It's the batsmen's reaction time that has done it for him.

 

1.   Chawla bowls 80 kph to 100 kph normally.  A sudden seam up delivery at 120 kph from a spinner is a huge change up and the batsman is surprised. 

 A seamer like Khaleel, bowling 130 k to 140 k usually and then bowling a 141 k or 142 k ball is not a huge change up.  Anyone facing Khaleel would definite set his reaction time to an occasional 142 k ball.

 

2.  Khaleel surprises batsmen more with bounce than with pace.  His hit the deck short balls and bouncers often bounce more steeply than expected and get batsmen out.  This is the precise reason why many of us on ICF wanted and want him to hit the deck hard and not bowl floaty deliveries, like he was doing in international cricket.

 

3.  Steyn sometimes bowls in the 130s when he is trying to swing the new ball.  When there is no swing available, we rarely see him bowl in the early 130s, just as a setup to bowl a quicker early 140s ball.

 

4.  A pacer bowling a couple of 140 k balls and then suddenly sending down a 148 k ball ... is a good enough change up.  

 

5.  Most important point ... a batsman trying to hit every ball in a T20 maybe hurried by a changeup from 134 k to 142 k   ( From a bowler who is anyway expected to bowl 130 k to 144 k range )  ........   but in tests and even the first 40 overs of ODI,   if the batsman is prepared to defend too, then this may not work.    A change up from 140 k to 148 k would be more effective.

[Rightarmfast]

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

I don't call it variations. Bowling 140-147 isn't that different and won't difference. First need to understand how batsmen reaction work as they don't have a lot of reaction time. They set reaction time according to a bowler's pace. A bowler bowling 140 or more consistently is different than a bowler bowling 4 ball is an over at 132 and then change it up to 142. This is what surprises batsmen because batsman isn't ready as his reaction is set to face 130 kph and when he suddenly gets 140 plus, he is late on it. I will give another example. Recently chawla bowled a 120 kph seam up delivery to Pandya who got beaten for pace and missed it, ball went for four byes just missing the stumps. Now if a pacer would bowl at that pace, he would be called a trundler and would not beat any batsman with that pace but Chawla had beaten Pandya by 120kph delivery. Why? The reason is Pandya wasn't ready for that pace. He was expecting a 85-90 mph slow pace bowling from Chawla. His reaction time was set according to that and when suddenly he gets 120 kph, he gets late on it. Also if Chawla starts bowling 115-120 kph sesm up, he will become predictable and batsmen will start thrashing him at that. I remember Dale Steyn once bounced out Dhoni when he suddenly produced a 143 kph bouncer from bowling 130 odd kph previously. I don't it's the high pace that troubles batsmen but their different reactions to it does. If you bowl what a batsman is not expecting that deceives the batsman. Khaleel has so successfully exploited this method this IPL. He has deceived and beaten them for pace even at 141kph while some bowlers could not do that even at 150 kph.  It's the batsmen's reaction time that has done it for him.

Sorry to just stop you there. CLEARLY, you dont know the difference between 140 and 147! If by any stretch of imagination you believe that the pace variation and reaction time is not that different for a 140 and 147kph, lesser said the better. 

Theres a big difference between 145-150 too! But going by your logic, it shouldnt be. 

 

[Pollack]

Basil Thampi : Usually when you look around for some random footage of promising bowlers you come across some breathtaking bowling performance. Thampi is a legend in that sense.No matter where I see him bowl he is just thumped all around the park. That requires some skills.