England has gems like Buttler & Bairstow as wicketkeepers whereas we are stuck with 40 year old Dhoni

[sandeep]

15 hours ago, putrevus said:

Kedar is a sure starter when healthy for one reason, his ability to bowl few overs.Kedar has won few matches with bat and did well with ball too.

Who gave Kedar the chance to bowl in international ODIs?  What are his FC bowling stats?  Did he "force TM" to give him that bowling opportunity?  

 

Btw, nice try to somehow make Jos Buttler - an absolute freak of a player - as the benchmark for Pandya.  Somehow if Pandya isn't as good as Buttler, he isn't good enough?  

Edited May 17, 2019 by sandeep

[putrevus]

Its his power hitting ability that makes him bat at 7 coz no one other then him can do that job.......
We cannot say that about anyone unless we try him. When rohit sharma was called maggi who thought he ll avg 50+ for 5 years thats consistency, when dhoni bursted on scene as power hitter no one thought his consistency was going to be so gr8 

What is your point.Do you think coaches and other players are morons they have no ability to judge players.They see them every day.

Dhoni was made captain in 2007 because seniors like Sachin and other coaches thought so highly of him even though guys like Sehwag, Gambhir were in the squad.

It is always upto players and players need to express their views too. Russell wanted to bat at no4 and he told everyone about it. This year KKR didn’t have brains to use him properly but Russell did everything he could do to make his point.

Pandya is no7/ no6 because they don’t think he is good enough for no4 or no5.



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[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, putrevus said:

 

What is your point.Do you think coaches and other players are morons they have no ability to judge players.They see them every day.

U think kohli has the ability to judge players ???? think again 

 

Just now, putrevus said:

Dhoni was made captain in 2007 because seniors like Sachin and other coaches thought so highly of him even though guys like Sehwag, Gambhir were in the squad.

only after showing 2 yrs of consistency

 

Fact check 

 

Gambhir wasnt established in squad, infact got fair chances when dhoni became captain

Sehwag lost his place that time ....he wasnt even in squad a tour before dhoni was made captain

Just now, putrevus said:

It is always upto players and players need to express their views too. Russell wanted to bat at no4 and he told everyone about it. This year KKR didn’t have brains to use him properly but Russell did everything he could do to make his point.

Pandya is no7/ no6 because they don’t think he is good enough for no4 or no5.
 

So they dnt think of him as good and yet they have backed him to hill and have made him play test  cricket, have given him promotion as well in which he did well........problem is promotion has been less. Dravid n chappell used dhoni so well which shastri n kohli has failed 

[putrevus]

43 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Who gave Kedar the chance to bowl in international ODIs?  What are his FC bowling stats?  Did he "force TM" to give him that bowling opportunity?  

 

Btw, nice try to somehow make Jos Buttler - an absolute freak of a player - as the benchmark for Pandya.  Somehow if Pandya isn't as good as Buttler, he isn't good enough?  

Why do you think he bowled??

There is no trying on my part. I know Pandya is at best bits and pieces player.He cannot be Butler in this lifetime.Don't make Pandya into something he is not, he works for India becuase there is noone there.I did not compare his IPL stats or SR with Butler.

 

You made my point India does not have great batting talent nor do they have anyone like 10% of Butler who is waiting in the wings but is not picked up.

 

It is you guys who are constantly whining about Indian top three and how they are somehow blocking so called great batting talents. There is nobody there who is better than them.

 

TM and captain cannot manufacture talents, this is worst talent depth I have seen Indian batting in a long time.

 

[putrevus]

35 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

U think kohli has the ability to judge players ???? think again 

 

only after showing 2 yrs of consistency

 

Fact check 

 

Gambhir wasnt established in squad, infact got fair chances when dhoni became captain

Sehwag lost his place that time ....he wasnt even in squad a tour before dhoni was made captain

So they dnt think of him as good and yet they have backed him to hill and have made him play test  cricket, have given him promotion as well in which he did well........problem is promotion has been less. Dravid n chappell used dhoni so well which shastri n kohli has failed 

What talent is there which is shining somewhere after Kohli neglected them ???

Players like Pandya have been given unnecessary long rope in test cricket by Kohli  in search for so called allrounder and balance.It is totally Kohli's fault in misjudging talent of hack like Pandya and thinking he is going to be match winner in test cricket. India would won more if this hack was not selected in test cricket on those tours.

 

Don't confuse yourself, it was the talent of Dhoni which made Dravid or Chappell look good. Wasim Akram made Imran Khan look great because he was that talented. Before Wasim Akram there were guys like Tahir Naqqash and Jalauddin why didn't Imran make them great.

 

Karthik/Parthiv Patel made their debut before Dhoni were they not used properly? You need talent, coaches and captains cannot create talent.Sehwag was talented enough to make Ganguly look great when was made into an opener. Rahul made Kohli look like an idiot even though he kept on playing him test after test.

[Ankit_sharma03]

13 minutes ago, putrevus said:

TM and captain cannot manufacture talents, this is worst talent depth I have seen Indian batting in a long time.

 

this is the biggest joke i have ever heard.......

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, putrevus said:

What talent is there which is shining somewhere after Kohli neglected them ???

Rahul, shankar , gill, pant....

Do we have to go over this again n again

Fine u dnt agree they are talents, be ready to look like a fool in few yrs

Just now, putrevus said:

Players like Pandya have been given unnecessary long rope in test cricket by Kohli  in search for so called allrounder and balance.It is totally Kohli's fault in misjudging talent of hack like Pandya and thinking he is going to be match winner in test cricket. India would won more if this hack was not selected in test cricket on those tours.

and he did India a test match didnt he 

India wud won more without him is an assumption. India won only one test in england due to him is a reality 

Just now, putrevus said:

Don't confuse yourself, it was the talent of Dhoni which made Dravid or Chappell look good. Wasim Akram made Imran Khan look great because he was that talented. Before Wasim Akram there were guys like Tahir Naqqash and Jalauddin why didn't Imran make them great.

no they were better with young talent unlike these 2 morons .

Just now, putrevus said:

Karthik/Parthiv Patel made their debut before Dhoni were they not used properly? You need talent, coaches and captains cannot create talent.Sehwag was talented enough to make Ganguly look great when was made into an opener. Rahul made Kohli look like an idiot even though he kept on playing him test after test.

But still pappu was backed like crazy from ganguly that got dhoni debut delayed 

Sehwag also made ganguly look like idiot, dnt forget the abuse that guy use to get and yuvi to. Now u look at full careers not the build up stage of sehwag or yuvi. 

If anything kohli gets abused only for not backing rahul 

[sandeep]

12 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Why do you think he bowled??

Because the team saw potential utility in his part-time offerings, and used him smartly.

 

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TM and captain cannot manufacture talents, this is worst talent depth I have seen Indian batting in a long time.

Bullshit.  The likes of KL Rahul, Mayank Agarwal, Rishabh Pant, Prithvi Shaw, Sanju Samson, Shubman Gill - are as talented as anyone on the circuit.  In fact, India's bench options in batting are deep AF.  Problem is, that the current team management refuses to groom and develop their potential.  A young new player should be first given opportunities in situations and positions where he's likely to succeed, before simply throwing him into low-percentage situations and asking him to "prove" it.  But Virat and his buddies are only too happy sitting in the cushy top order, asking the other batsmen to do the dirty hard work of coming in to bat, late in the innings, tasked with either scoring at a high rate from the word go, or rebuild from a 60/4 situation.   In spite of this, a guy like Kedar Jadhav has put up stellar batting numbers.  But he still isn't given a proper run at #4, because old declining fossils have to keep getting chances to resurrect their fading batting skills.  

 

The team is mismanaging its player resources - the ones that are in the XI, the squad, and the player pool at large.  To claim that there are no "Buttlers" in India, is facetious and false.  Players like Jos are special, and rare.  And just because a batsman isn't at that freak level, doesn't mean that they don't bring value to the team.

[sandeep]

5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

this is the biggest joke i have ever heard.......

Reminds of that self-styled professor dude, who kept calling Pandya a "hammock for bowlers".  Right up until Hardik picked up a match-winning 5-fer in England.  Hasn't been seen around here since.

 

Some guys are so hell-bent on proving themselves "right" over an argument on players, that they will stubbornly call black, white.  Because its not possible to admit a mistake, such is the lack of maturity.  

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, sandeep said:

Reminds of that self-styled professor dude, who kept calling Pandya a "hammock for bowlers".  Right up until Hardik picked up a match-winning 5-fer in England.  Hasn't been seen around here since.

 

Some guys are so hell-bent on proving themselves "right" over an argument on players, that they will stubbornly call black, white.  Because its not possible to admit a mistake, such is the lack of maturity.  

They do suffer from short memory as they forget most career have gone through same struggle, sighting their example but forgetting their struggle 

[putrevus]

15 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

this is the biggest joke i have ever heard.......

Yep thats why India is sending one of its weakest batting units to world cup .You saying talent is there does not make talent appear out of thin air.

 

It is a joke people like you think Pandya is super talented and Rahul is next Bradman. They are not good.

Edited May 17, 2019 by putrevus

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

Yep thats why India is sending one of its weakest batting units to world cup .You saying talent is there does not make talent appear out of thin air.

hows it week ? 

Ur saying talent is not there is living in denial .....

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

It is a joke people like you think Pandya is super talented and Rahul is next Bradman. They are not good.

I can name top cricketers who think pandya is super talented....and may i knw who said rahul is next bradman. Stop acting like a press reporter - making headlines out of nothing just becoz u have nothing to say 

[sandeep]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

hows it week ? 

Ur saying talent is not there is living in denial .....

I can name top cricketers who think pandya is super talented....and may i knw who said rahul is next bradman. Stop acting like a press reporter - making headlines out of nothing just becoz u have nothing to say 

"Pandya isn't as good as buttler" - so not talented.

 

"KL Rahul is not Bradman"  = not talented.   

 

Putrevus is not as smart as Albert Einstein = he's a moron??  /s

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, sandeep said:

"Pandya isn't as good as buttler" - so not talented.

 

"KL Rahul is not Bradman"  = not talented.   

 

Putrevus is not as smart as Albert Einstein = he's a moron??  /s

This talent word is also very overrated, most of India thought rohit was better then kohli and we knw whos is where . If someone has talent ....what he does with it will be decided by his attitude but captain has to give full chances 

[zen]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

"Pandya isn't as good as buttler" - so not talented.

 

"KL Rahul is not Bradman"  = not talented.   

 

Putrevus is not as smart as Albert Einstein = he's a moron??  /s

When I accidentally read his posts, it feels like being served with bitter karela juice

Edited May 17, 2019 by zen

[sandeep]

Just now, zen said:

When I accidentally read his posts, it feels like having served with the bitter karela juice

Karela juice is really healthy and good for you, even though disgusting in taste.  Not sure the analogy fits.

[zen]

24 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Karela juice is really healthy and good for you, even though disgusting in taste.  Not sure the analogy fits.

Then substitute with some other juice .... karela is not my cup of tea to enjoy health benefits  

[vvvslaxman]

If you were an English fan thread would be like this

 

"England plays Willey,  Curran when India plays Bumrah, Shami" :)