Modi government likely to bring bill to prevent religious conversion in next Parliament session

[BacktoCricaddict]

 

3 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

normalizes pedophilia amongst its elites like the Greeks did ( unique ONLY to ancient greeks and romans - no one else EVER glorified sex with eromenos - ie, a 'boy' and not a man in their texts) and the civilization that INVENTED mass scale commercial slavery.

 

Sounds like modern day America.  Just ask Lloyd Epstein, Bill Clinton and Don Raja.  

Edited January 14, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict

[coffee_rules]

2 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

Agree about being inspired by the past.  Embrace and celebrate the truths of the past.  But pursue the future with the tools of the present - with no regard to where the tools came from.    

 

 

Recently I saw a photo of an Australian Medical institute installing a statue of Susruta (known as the first plastic surgeon). If this is celebrated, liberals laugh at how Modi called Shiva the first plastic surgeon because he fixed Ganesha's head. Although it is stupid, the whole history of Susruta is negated in this process. That is the thought I am referring to, Most of what Alam Dar is parroting is of similar nature. All from a narrative of the west. 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

Agree about being inspired by the past.  Embrace and celebrate the truths of the past.  But pursue the future with the tools of the present - with no regard to where the tools came from.    

 

 

This only applies to science and technology. For ideology, where it came from, what conditions it grew in, etc are all very instructive.

 

Like for eg this fool @Alam_dar is completely ignorant of the field of oriental studies and occidentalism. And denies that there is anything different in religions. yet he fails to acknowledge that there are only TWO families of religions - Abrhamic ones and Zoroastrianism, in history of mankind, amongst countless religions ( Hinduism, Sikhism, Manicheism, Bon, vietnamese and chinese folk religions, Shintoism, native american religions, tribal religions etc) that believe in prophets. NO OTHER religions believe in direct magical phone line with God or angels and being their stenographer. 

 

Furthermore, he denies the role socio-economics plays in forming ethical base to an ideology. Such as oppressing women as second class is the most pronounced in ALL religions emanating from the middle east- back from the Sumerian days.  Romans, Greeks, Celts, Indians, Chinese,Thais- we were all much, much nicer to our women than the middle easterners. Ask yourself why. 

The answer lies in our epics tangentially: the Sita story. We are the people who come from lush lands, not blasted sand dunes of nothingness. In our culture, just like the Romans and their Romulus and Remus story- a strong independent woman who goes out in the woods, makes a hut for herself and says FAAAK YOU A-HOLE HUBBY is rare, but viable. That woman dies in under a week in the blasted sand dunes of arabia. hence for them, extreme penalties were exacted for transgressions, because the alternative for women, is death by starvation. We didnt do it- couldnt do it, coz the woman had the option to go FAAK YOU like Sita did and go make her own hut in the woods.

 

@Alam_dar is nothing more than your standard run of the mill western-indoctrinated atheist. Who only chit-chats and back-pats about innane western atheist talking points, slander and libel of religions he has actually never read for himself and indulge in western atheist propaganda - inspired and stolen from the commies - that all religions are the same. 
its as assinine as saying all cars are the same or all economic theories are the same. Its missing the forest for the trees.

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

Just now, coffee_rules said:

 

Recently I saw a photo of an Australian Medical institute installing a statue of Susruta (known as the first plastic surgeon). If this is celebrated, liberals laugh at how Modi called Shiva the first plastic surgeon because he fixed Ganesha's head. Although it is stupid, the whole history of Susruta is negated in this process. That is the thought I am referring to, Most of what Alam Dar is parroting is of similar nature. All from a narrative of the west. 

 

 

 

Wait ... how does celebrating Susruta equal to believing Shiva fixing Ganesha's head?  Who are these people who conflate these things, and more importantly, why do you associate with them :-)?

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

 

Sounds like modern day America.  Just ask Lloyd Epstein, Bill Clinton and Don Raja.  

 

Yep. And now the western medical industry is getting in on it. Ask yourself why these childless, anti-family western society adult atheists are SO INVESTED in mutilating children and giving them puberty blockers in the name of gender. What happens when you give children puberty blockers ? they REMAIN children. especially their genitals. And we have evidence that puberty blockers, if continued into late teens, doesnt delay puberty, it permanently blocks it. Ask yourself what kind of an adult finds the idea of kids never developing their sexual organs and keeping them all ' child sized' a good idea. 

 

[coffee_rules]

6 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

Wait ... how does celebrating Susruta equal to believing Shiva fixing Ganesha's head?  Who are these people who conflate these things, and more importantly, why do you associate with them :-)?

 

Why do you think our kids don't even know about Sushruta? It is a narrative war.  All this was hidden in early western study of Indology and not cited. 

When we discover, the ridicule from other side, our own liberal commie sepoys ridicule the shashtras, puranas, etc. There is a scientific texts called Samhitas )Charaka and Sushruta for eg) and Siddhantas (read about Surya Siddhanta) which are not explored, where it is learnt that they knew much more  than 16th century mathematicians and so called scientists. 

 

Once Modi casually said about Shiva, all our ancient texts are a mix of mythological mumbo jumbo by the academia. He made a major disservice in the narrative. 

 

 

[Alam_dar]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

Truly, WB Mulo, We had discussions earlier, where I was saying it on similar terms that Buddhism was a philosophy and never wanted to be classified away from Dharma (now Dharma can be defined and explained differently by different people) which westerners called it a religion. 

 

The amazing thing about Hinduism is you can change your views anytime and still be part of some of it and still be connected. Western Atheism is basically anarchist, to disrupt any thing that is considered normal, they want chaos, while eastern agnostic/atheists are peaceful and want to believe in something without disrupting others' beliefs. 

 

It is irrelevant if Buddhism is a religion or a philosophy. MULO had no answers to my questions regarding Hinduism, and thus he is trying to insert the non-relevant questions. 

 

And whatever Buddhism is (either a religion or a philosophy), but one thing is sure that they don't call them as Hindus or part of Hinduism or want to do anything with Vedas etc. 

 

Now situation is this that Hindus claim that Buddhism is also a part of Hinduism, but Buddhist deny it that they are part of Hinduism. 

[Muloghonto]

6 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

It is irrelevant if Buddhism is a religion or a philosophy. 

Then it is also irrelevant if western atheism is a religion or a philosophy. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

6 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

MULO had no answers to my questions regarding Hinduism, and thus he is trying to insert the non-relevant questions. 

I answered every single question of yours and asked YOU a question. Then you ran away. 

6 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

And whatever Buddhism is (either a religion or a philosophy), but one thing is sure that they don't call them as Hindus or part of Hinduism or want to do anything with Vedas etc. 

Nobody said they are hindus. We said they are from the EASTERN SCHOOL OF PHILOSOPHY AND ETHICS because they dont share the absolute good-bad binary dualism of western and abrahamic doctrines. 

6 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

Now situation is this that Hindus claim that Buddhism is also a part of Hinduism, but Buddhist deny it that they are part of Hinduism. 

yes, this is a modern development. In ancient times, they were ALL hindus, since ALL primary document that uses the word ' hindu' prior to 1500 - indian or foreign- class them as hindus. This is citable but you wouldnt know because your western propangda peddlers havent taught you what primary source material is and you dont even know what they are. 

[Lannister]

23 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

False, liar. Indian government does not pick or have a say on the padres and committes on roman catholic churches in India. 

If government can have a say in Hindu religion, then why don't they have similar authority over other faiths. There is no such exception been made in the constitution. You need to stop talking sh*t. They are already under its control. 

 

On 1/14/2021 at 11:24 AM, Muloghonto said:

Yes. People. They can. Convertors is a service. We can control that and have a right to, since its a service. Just like we stop serving porno to kids. Or selling death sports to adults. We can classify any service as we wish, as PEOPLE, by POPULAR vote. You are free to convert to whatever you wish. 

Well you can start similar service under Hindu religion to convert people from other faiths. So what are you afraid of...lol

 

On 1/14/2021 at 11:24 AM, Muloghonto said:

It does and it can. Every single nation has a national language. Hence the argument it doesnt need it, is faceteous and unproven. Prove that the only country in modern history to not have a national language doesnt need it. 

It can have it. Provided jealous little provincial c*nts like you stfu and know your place in a diverse majority where you are not the largest group. 

Again with the bullshit. US doesn't have a national language either. It's not like India is the only country not to have one. 

 

India is an union of sub-nationalities. So all state languages have equal claim on becoming national language. Hence this concept does not work here. 

On 1/14/2021 at 11:24 AM, Muloghonto said:

Nope. The largest two most common languages, especially the indegenous one, needs to be the national language. We cannot do official business at national level in every single local language. Thats called making bab

If you think you can't, then that's not our problem. You can leave this country. We have no such issues. 

 

On 1/14/2021 at 11:24 AM, Muloghonto said:

yes it is.

Just like null set is a set, having no beleif in god is also an ideology. Atheism is a ideology. Just like theism and agnosticism are also ideologies. 

X= true

X= false

X= maybe. 

 

all of them are ideologies because all of it is contingent on IDEOLICAL STANCE ON X.  The x is false set is also known as null set. Null set is a set. Basic set theory. Ie, basic logic. 

Its a pity you are such a math fail. Else you wouldnt be whining about basic definitions that your fellow atheists have ditched you on this thread too. Dont make me cite basic philosophy definitions now.

I am not going to waste my time reading this sh*t again. Atheism is neither an ideology nor a philosophy. It has no core values or a belief system to adhere to. 

[Lannister]

21 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

My entire family is brahmin - kulin brahmins- who are one of the oldest lineages of brahmins in the world.

No wonder you don't give a sh*t about bengali language. 

[Muloghonto]

17 minutes ago, Lannister said:

If government can have a say in Hindu religion, then why don't they have similar authority over other faiths. There is no such exception been made in the constitution. You need to stop talking sh*t. They are already under its control. 

This is what is in effect. They are not under government control because they do not appoint the clergy at churches. 

Stop being such a hindu hater, western wannbe ''atheist'"

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Well you can start similar service under Hindu religion to convert people from other faiths. So what are you afraid of...lol

Because the point is not conversion. Seeking convesion is why your western masters and islamist lovers have killed far more in name of religion than hindus buddhists jains shintos, bon etc combined. 

We will not let the coercive bribing service of conversion racket continue due to democratic right. 

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Again with the bullshit. US doesn't have a national language either. It's not like India is the only country not to have one. 

It is one of the very few nations that dont have one. And unlike India, USA isnt a civilization state. Every civilization state has its national language,including the western ones. We deserve to have one of our own languages as the national language if most people feel that is correct. Not you provincial jealousy.

No. the language that has the best claim is the dominant language of the natives. That is the fundamental right of me, as an Indian citizen, to recognize the majority of my own people. 

We are indian first, kannada or bengali second. Anyone who says otherwise is a traitor to the Dharmic civilization of the Indian subcontinent. 

 

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If you think you can't, then that's not our problem. You can leave this country. We have no such issues. 

You problem is if majority of indians want this and Bjp posits a referendum and they do vote for it. Then u have no choice. Especially if the support from non hindi speakers is big enough to override your individual pronvical keera type behaviour. 

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I am not going to waste my time reading this sh*t again. Atheism is neither an ideology nor a philosophy. It has no core values or a belief system to adhere to. 

Too bad basic set theory math is beyond your education level. You do have a core value - you refuse to believe in God. Null set. Every philosopher btw, considers atheism a philosophy. I can even quote Dawkins- ur guru on this. 

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[Muloghonto]

8 minutes ago, Lannister said:

No wonder you don't give a sh*t about bengali language. 

I do and most Bongs do. We dont need lessons from some obscure Kannada people to remind us how activist we have been for our language and still are. We are just not so sheltered insular-minded  ones- the likes of whom are more common in the south- to whine about the language of our people which is official language central govt being another language.

Unlike u southie sheltered noobs, we have kept our language alive and well & prolific despite the muslim invasions. U r just whiny and ur kind are dying out because the hindus are awakening to their civilization-state heritage. Such awakening is happening all across dharma btw- amongst the buddhists too it is being seen. 

[Lannister]

23 hours ago, diga said:

Seriously is manusmriti the only text you can quote off ?  

Manusmriti and manuwadi were big part of Indian history and the brahmins. A simple google search will give you hundreds of articles on this abomination. The whole caste system was the result of this. 

[diga]

16 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Manusmriti and manuwadi were big part of Indian history and the brahmins. A simple google search will give you hundreds of articles on this abomination. The whole caste system was the result of this. 

It would also give you hundreds of other texts and why manusmriti was mostly used by westerners.  Why dont you read up a bit more before blaming only brahmins?

[Alam_dar]

Mulo is not in his senses and he is living in a "conspiracy world", where Westerners are bad guys and Asian are good guys. It is a next step from being Hindu Supremacist to Asian Supremacist. 

 

All this talk about Greek and Rom and Abrahamic and Zoroastrian religions are part of the past. Mulo is living in the "past" too due to his studies of "history". 

 

There is no more Greek/Roman thing present any more, and even Christianity and Judaism are also disappearing, but Mulo in his fantasy world want them to exist so that he can boast the supremacy of Hindu Religion over them. 

 

It does not matter if some religions got the prophets or others were inspired spiritually to the Rishis, while all these religions were Man Made. Both Quran and Vedas are men made dramas. Bible and religious books of Zoroastrians were men made. 

 

Humans are humans, and it does not make them any different if they are from east or west. 

 

And homosexuality is also not a  West vs. East thing, but it is a human thing. And this homosexuality was not only limited to the Western Greeks and Romans, but it was also practiced in ancient India too (link). 

 

 

 

 

[Alam_dar]

11 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

 

Citations from the east is unknown. I call it Plagiarism!

 

Ask any western academician about thoughts on Indian philosophy? They would have no idea and negate it. JNU jholawalas spend lifetime studying Plato/Greek Philosophy , but negate anything remotely called "Indic" Philosophy. That is the effect of Brit Colinialism on us and the rest of the world. Deny that we were smarter 2000 years ago than the rest of us. Even a 1000 years ago. This doesn't mean we have to reject modern Industrial revolution and thinking (cue @BacktoCricaddict), but at least acknowledge how we were ahead. Madhava of Kerala (mid 14th century) was the a great mathematician , a pioneer of Calculus that nobody today attributes. . Al-Jabr whose name is attributed to algebra himself has cited that he translated his work from a mathematician in Malayalam. If this is referred, they they ridicule people as people who peddle Pushpaka vimana logic and nuclear weapons in Ramayana era. The RW Intelligentsia is to blame too, BJP has the worst PR and spokespersons who peddle the extreme fringe for the left and MSM to laugh at.

 

Read from the works of Subhash Kak, Raj Vedam, Shrikant talageri , Vishwa Adluri, who confront western thought on Indic thought. It is downright pathetic and how much of a push back there is from western academia. But our MSM like western philologists and dumb women like Audrey Trushke who say Aurangzeb is not all bad, or Wendy Doniger who claims all gopikas were lesbians. And I digress

 

We had a decimal place system at least a 1000 years (based on a scripture which is about 500-700ad on a stone) before the west who were using X, V , L M I etc to represent numbers. And they call it Arabic numerals now. What a travesty!

 

 

 

Like Hindu world, Muslim world is also full of such boastings that they produced a lot of most intelligent scientists in the Past. 

 

And as an atheist, I am always telling them that excellence of past Muslim scientists had nothing to do with religion of "ISLAM", but it was only a social thing. It became a fashion in that era in the Muslim society to do research in the scientific fields, and due to that some "Individuals" were able to made few scientific discoveries. 

 

But none of ancient Muslim scientist ever claimed that he deduced a single Science from Quran or Sunnah. 

 

Same is true about ancient Hindu scientists, and they didn't deduce their scientific discoveries from Vedas or other religious Hindu texts. It was their individual contributing towards the world of science. So why then present day Hindus try to boast about their scientific discoveries as excellence of Hindu religion? 

 

And in the present era, the modern non-religious scientists of the West have excelled in science thousands of times more than the ancient Muslim and Hindu scientists. But they didn't deduce these scientific discoveries from Atheism. So credit of their work does not go to Atheism. Same is true about the ancient Muslim and Hindu scientists and credit of their work also does not go Hindu and Muslim sacred religious books. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

52 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

 

Like Hindu world, Muslim world is also full of such boastings that they produced a lot of most intelligent scientists in the Past. 
 

the boast isn’t that we produced more scientists, which we did. The boast is ALL eastern religions are inherently more open to scientific principles and this is embedded in the creationist legends as well in general doctrine of the religion, which doesn’t hold creation myths as absolute, nor does it say it is absolute.

 

you simply have an abhrahamic conceptual bias, since you have not actually investigated non abrahamic religions. Which are heterogenous.

 

just like Ancient Greek religions promoted science more than Christian doctrine did and their priests and churches didn’t issue fatwas or try to execute copernicus etc, neither does the non abrahamic schools.

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And in the present era, the modern non-religious scientists of the West have excelled in science thousands of times more than the ancient Muslim and Hindu scientists. But they didn't deduce these scientific discoveries from Atheism. So credit of their work does not go to Atheism. Same is true about the ancient Muslim and Hindu scientists and credit of their work also does not go Hindu and Muslim sacred religious books. 

 

so what. That is a factor of the west having its 500 year period where its ever exceeded Asia.The sum total of Christian scientists is orders of magnitude greater in their contribution to modern math, Industrial Age and such than your  believers in atheism.

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[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, Alam_dar said:

Mulo is not in his senses and he is living in a "conspiracy world", where Westerners are bad guys and Asian are good guys. It is a next step from being Hindu Supremacist to Asian Supremacist. 
 

ah. So it’s now conspiracy to say that ALL the comments of eastern doctrines were formulated in the highly racist and colonialist agenda driven 19th century and that which is being directly cited over and over again. Just like aryan invasion/migration theory.

 

evidence of your western masters having a western agenda and peddling western ethics as something universal is seen in the western atheists who call atheist and agnostic ideologies of the east such as Buddhism as religion.
 

 

so you are calling racist white man 19th century written ideas on our people as propaganda, white boot livker. Got it.

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All this talk about Greek and Rom and Abrahamic and Zoroastrian religions are part of the past. Mulo is living in the "past" too due to his studies of "history". 
 

no, this is the present. Abrahamic religions exist in the presence and the difference between them and non abrahamic religions, it’s ethical systems etc exist today.  Western atheists have their own dogma.

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There is no more Greek/Roman thing present any more, and even Christianity and Judaism are also disappearing, but Mulo in his fantasy world want them to exist so that he can boast the supremacy of Hindu Religion over them. 
 

I boast the supremacy of ALL non abrahamic religions over the abrahamic class of dualist religions. You keep running away from the fact that I have classed all the dharmic religions and asiatic religions seperate from abrahamic religions and you abrahamic apostate is engaging in typical dishonest discussion by saying I am just talking about Hinduism. 

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It does not matter if some religions got the prophets or others were inspired spiritually to the Rishis, while all these religions were Man Made. Both Quran and Vedas are men made dramas. Bible and religious books of Zoroastrians were men made. 
 

it matters greatly in ethics when one set of religions claim its direct word of god or angels sent to them and no other religions claim so. Your atheism is also man made drama. 

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Humans are humans, and it does not make them any different if they are from east or west. 

 

humans are the same species but we don’t have the same ethics. Your western ethical set is neither universal, nor are we the same type of religions as your western ones. No amount of trying to wipe out the difference and tell us our ideology is just like yours is going to cut the mustard.

 

akso demonstrate 

 

 

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And homosexuality is also not a  West vs. East thing, but it is a human thing. And this homosexuality was not only limited to the Western Greeks and Romans, but it was also practiced in ancient India too (link). 

 

 

 

 

be s respectful of homosexuality, ex Muslim.

don’t equate homosexuality as pedophilia like you homophobes do.

 

I said OFFICIAL GLORIFICATION OF PEDOPHILIA. EROMENOS. This in the ancient world is an unique invention of Greek barbarians and their Roman copy cat Chamchaas. No other civilization has legal texts or literature condoning pedophilia amongst its elites before the Greek scum. through the entire ancient period it was just the Greek and Roman scum that glorified it. Only in middle of medieval period do we hear of it from another set of barbarian genocidal scum culture : the Turks. 

Edited January 15, 2021 by Muloghonto

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, Lannister said:

Manusmriti and manuwadi were big part of Indian history and the brahmins. A simple google search will give you hundreds of articles on this abomination. The whole caste system was the result of this. 

Proof please.

the hundreds of articles are written exclusively by the westerners and their western history educated chamchaas. Manusmriti is one of the least mentioned books in primary sources of Indian history, religion and such. Not even the Buddhists or Jains mention it in their critiques. Less than 1 in a 1000 Hindu has a copy of knows of it. 
 

parroting colonial propaganda won’t get you far. 

[Lannister]

2 hours ago, Under_Score said:

Sadly caste system was for the sole benefit of one caste whom my Lingayat friends from B'lore used to mention as 'Kall Bramana'  

A true Kannadigas.