Indian fast bowlers who should have played for India more..

[express bowling]

16 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Did you watch ankola and vaidya?

 

Yes.

 

Ankola started off as a fast bowler in 1989.  But had ankle problems, shortened his run up and became fast-medium.

 

But he always got steep bounce and bowled with decent accuracy.

 

The reason I did not include Ankola in my list above is because he himself lost interest in cricket and wanted to be a film star.

 

Vaidya looked sharp in club cricket ... but turned out to be just medium fast when he played international cricket.

[Rightarmfast]

1 hour ago, MultiB48 said:

Did you watch ankola and vaidya?

Yes, I did. Vaidya was supposed to pretty quick. Ankola was definitely sharp, atleast when he made his debut in 89 in Pakistan. He wasnt a 145 bowler, but maybe around 135-140ish. 

As far as I remember, Ankola took to acting because he was hard done by selectors, not because he lost interest. He joined tv serials around 97, the time when he wasnt getting any chance.

[Rightarmfast]

 

 

Hear the first minute, he sounds more frustrated why he didnt play. 

 

Even in this video, he sounds sarcastic and frustrated to me. He gave up hope, is what I feel. 

 

 

[Rightarmfast]

1 hour ago, MultiB48 said:

I'm familiar with his later phase of acting more than his bowling .

 

Remember this song...

 

 

 

Lagta hai cricket aur acting, dono career pakistan se hi shuroo hui ;p

[singhprakash72]

On 11/4/2019 at 7:25 PM, maniac said:

Subroto Banarjee could have been groomed into a very good allrounder.

I used to hear Kuruvillas name for many years as a phaaast and then finally when he debuted he was a super Trundler.
 

There was another fast bowler who took a 5 wkt haul in Sharjah but never played again. This was in the 80s. Saw a scorecard once when somebody posted.

 

 

On a side note guys with somewhat decent careers Agarkar should have been so much more better than he became. Had so much potential as both a test bowler and a batsman. 
 

Nehra is another guy 

 

Too bad we didn’t have proper people to groom them in their prime 

 

 

That bowler was Sanjeev Sharma he took 5 for 26 against West indies to give India a rare ODI win over WI. Unfortunately for him he played just 2 tests 1 in a turning wicket at Hyderabad vs NZ ( took 3 wkts in 1st innings and didn't bowl much in 2nd) and then played in famous Gooch triple century test where he ended up taking more wickets than Kapil & Prabhakar but was never picked again.

 

 

[maniac]

8 minutes ago, singhprakash72 said:

That bowler was Sanjeev Sharma he took 5 for 26 against West indies to give India a rare ODI win over WI. Unfortunately for him he played just 2 tests 1 in a turning wicket at Hyderabad vs NZ ( took 3 wkts in 1st innings and didn't bowl much in 2nd) and then played in famous Gooch triple century test where he ended up taking more wickets than Kapil & Prabhakar but was never picked again.

 

 

I am not sure what went on in Sanjeev Sharma's personal life or his professional attitude but incidents such as this would point to some rumors that Kapil did damage a lot of careers of promising fast bowlers.

 

I never believed in the rumors about North-South bias under Kapil when it came to guys like TA Sekhar,Bharat Arun etc because from what I have heard he was best friends with Roger Binny who was from Karnataka. Also a guy like Yograj Singh has hinted plenty of times that Kapil did create problems for him. I am assuming it is Kapil from his cryptic rants but then again Yograj is just a loose cannon. Even Manoj Prabhakar seemed to hate him with a passion. 

 

Also I remember in the Tehelka tapes ,Ravi Shastri telling about an incident where he asked Srinath, if Kapil has ever given him any useful tips or mentored him.

 

Kapil was a once in a generation cricketer, my childhood fav but sure there are plenty of skeletons in that closet.

 

 

[Rightarmfast]

Not just fast bowlers, Kapil dev also destroyed careers of a few spinners. I remember an upcoming spinner in the late 80's who in an interview had openly said that ' Kapil paaji' was very strict when it came to selection, and he specifically gave instructions not to pick this spinner in punjab/ haryana team. 

Kapil was also, infamously known for his jealousy against Sunny. The guy is toxic as they come. 

I still cant forget how he cried on television when his name came up in match fixing case. Everyone knows he was involved. He just got away!

[singhprakash72]

I think if Azhar was not the captain, Kapil would have most likely been dropped after 1992 ...he was particularly ineffective in 93-94. Though he did a lot for India cricket winning the 1983 WC and then series in England 1986 (almost another in Aus 1985) but he followed the path in his later years that pretty much epitomizes Indian cricket. 

I found him under prepared for the job of coach in 1999, his involvement in match fixing didn't help and then looked like he was more of a business guy ( which is fine) with his instincts with ICL and other commercial endeavors without actually helping Indian cricket after his retirement. Personally I feel he could have still helped groom fast bowlers in India after retirement or supported the MRF academy.

[maniac]

1 hour ago, singhprakash72 said:

I think if Azhar was not the captain, Kapil would have most likely been dropped after 1992 ...he was particularly ineffective in 93-94. Though he did a lot for India cricket winning the 1983 WC and then series in England 1986 (almost another in Aus 1985) but he followed the path in his later years that pretty much epitomizes Indian cricket. 

I found him under prepared for the job of coach in 1999, his involvement in match fixing didn't help and then looked like he was more of a business guy ( which is fine) with his instincts with ICL and other commercial endeavors without actually helping Indian cricket after his retirement. Personally I feel he could have still helped groom fast bowlers in India after retirement or supported the MRF academy.

I don’t think apart from Gavaskar any indian player was powerful enough to even suggest dropping Kapil Dev. Also the record was a low hanging fruit that no one would dare ask him to retire. Speaking for that timeline because Sachin was still an upstart in the early 90s
 

Take a look at Kohli the most powerful captain ever in the history of Indian cricket, he can’t even make a firm statement on Dhoni even when he singlehandedly lost games in the last couple of years.

 

I guess the reason why most players of that era in Indian cricket like Shastri,Manju etc have this weird fetish for Imran  Khan because he did mentor and back a lot of players he believed in.

 

However in the long run that is good because we are what we are today because of a powerful board that couldn’t be undermined by players. That is why the recent events are a cause of concern when a player-coach nexus is running Indian cricket on their whims and fancies.

Edited November 6, 2019 by maniac

[maniac]

9 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

Did you watch ankola and vaidya?

Ankola was 135+ for sure. He never trundled. I saw him in SA in 1996. He was wayward but not low in terms of pace. 

[maniac]

Sreeshanth was a lost case. The guy was one of the most talented fast bowlers I have seen play for india but he wasn’t right in the head. 
 

unfortunately for him he didn’t have good mentors either. He was ridiculed by his captain after bowling a nearly match winning spell. Dhoni clearly had an agenda against him.  That is no excuse though, still has himself to blame for the way he messed up.
 

RP singh too should have been a 200+ Odi and test wicket bowler. Again blame on himself for taking it for granted.

 

We have to admire guys like Zak and even Ishant for taking matters into their own hands and coming back strongly. Also helped that they had their captains backing- Ganguly and Dhoni

 

Munaf and Nehra became LOI  specialists but they could have been rotated well and preserved for all formats rather than having them take the call. 
 

Irfan was a case of too many cooks spoil the broth. Had too many people in his ear. 
 

In terms of skills these guys were dare I say as good if  not better than our current pace attack collectively.

 

All these bowlers were capable of running through line ups. 
 

 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

38 minutes ago, maniac said:

 

Munaf and Nehra became LOI  specialists but they could have been rotated well and preserved for all formats rather than having them take the call. 
 

Munaf also had a poor attitude n deserves to blame himself. Somewhat during chappell it was told to him to concentrate on line n length n he also wasnt hard working

 

I admire nehra to have played n kept his pace around 140k till late in career with his sought of body . 

38 minutes ago, maniac said:

Irfan was a case of too many cooks spoil the broth. Had too many people in his ear. 
 

He himself spoiled it as well 

38 minutes ago, maniac said:

In terms of skills these guys were dare I say as good if  not better than our current pace attack collectively.

 

All these bowlers were capable of running through line ups. 
 

 

yup we didnt have fast bowling n fitness culture at that time. All of sudden we got so much talent but their was no culture n guidance.....had these guys played today there career wud have gone apart from sreesanth as he was an idiot

[rkt.india]

 

Sudeep Tyagi still bowling fast. One guy who should have played for India more.

 

[Real McCoy]

18 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Not just fast bowlers, Kapil dev also destroyed careers of a few spinners. I remember an upcoming spinner in the late 80's who in an interview had openly said that ' Kapil paaji' was very strict when it came to selection, and he specifically gave instructions not to pick this spinner in punjab/ haryana team. 

Kapil was also, infamously known for his jealousy against Sunny. The guy is toxic as they come. 

I still cant forget how he cried on television when his name came up in match fixing case. Everyone knows he was involved. He just got away!

This thread makes me look at him with fresh eyes. I don't think a man can cry that easy on tv. If his name came up and he was not guilty, the first thing that should come out of him is anger not tears. I didn't think much of it before but now I can. Sunny v Kapil in my mind was always Sunny evil mastermind Kapil innocent. Now it appears both of them got their own issues.

[Rightarmfast]

3 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

This thread makes me look at him with fresh eyes. I don't think a man can cry that easy on tv. If his name came up and he was not guilty, the first thing that should come out of him is anger not tears. I didn't think much of it before but now I can. Sunny v Kapil in my mind was always Sunny evil mastermind Kapil innocent. Now it appears both of them got their own issues.

As cunning as Sunny is, in this instance, he always kept mum. He played the bigger man and he let Kapil have his way even at the cost of his image. Sunny in this instance was innocent. 

Kapil crying was a classic give away of his involvement. Even Imran Khan had questioned why Kapil cried when he was innocent!

[vishalvirsingh]

On 11/6/2019 at 10:20 PM, maniac said:

I am not sure what went on in Sanjeev Sharma's personal life or his professional attitude but incidents such as this would point to some rumors that Kapil did damage a lot of careers of promising fast bowlers.

 

I never believed in the rumors about North-South bias under Kapil when it came to guys like TA Sekhar,Bharat Arun etc because from what I have heard he was best friends with Roger Binny who was from Karnataka. Also a guy like Yograj Singh has hinted plenty of times that Kapil did create problems for him. I am assuming it is Kapil from his cryptic rants but then again Yograj is just a loose cannon. Even Manoj Prabhakar seemed to hate him with a passion. 

 

Also I remember in the Tehelka tapes ,Ravi Shastri telling about an incident where he asked Srinath, if Kapil has ever given him any useful tips or mentored him.

 

Kapil was a once in a generation cricketer, my childhood fav but sure there are plenty of skeletons in that closet.

 

 

What ever you stated above is correct. Kapil was a great all rounder but he spoilt or didn't let careers of at least 6 pace bowlers flourish. I am talking about 6 Pacers who were either as good as kapil or even better.

SRINATH BOWLED faster and better than kapil from the first match he played.

Even raju kulkarni looked fast in the odi he bowled and was played. Then he was dropped.

Kapil supported chetan Sharma madan lal,  binny.

Madan and binny were average slow Pacers.

Chetan was from haryana and so kapil supported him.

Pacer selection is a very obvious and open selection,  if selectors value pace.

Srinath was always ahead faster and better than others. He was selected only when it was impossible to hide his talent.

 

[vishalvirsingh]

Saini's case is a bit like Srinath now, he is bowling between 136k-150K regularly.

if Saini can maintain that pace and fair line and length, it will bcom IMPOSSIBLE to not play him.

if he can maintain his rhythm, line n length and pace , he will be picked along with BUMRAH( though bumrah seems to be down with fitness issue's).

I see Saini ahead of Umesh and challenging Shammi.

 

As an opening batsman , I have faced fast bowlers and it becomes very easy to decide which one is faster when u face them. 

One cannot select a KHALEEL ahead of a Saini just bcos khaleel is left ARM.

Please be very clear that Khaleel is NO ZAK or even a Swinging Magician like Irfan Pathan or even an RP SINGH OR Nehra in the Making. investing on khaleel will not yield dividend's.

ZAK looked an aggressive bowler from the first match he played- he always was attacking a batsman( khaleel is always trying his best to save himself, save runs, defensive bowler)

Investing on khaleel is a waste.

Deepak CHAHAR has something in him , he has some Skills. though he is Slow but it seems he can grow into a better bowler.

if shardul cannot be picked to replace Khaleel after khaleel was hit for 40 runs in 4 overs in previous match than it indicates that shardul is just not ready to replace Khaleel or Deepak and so should not be picked in 14 or 15 for india. Team management do not have the confidence to play him.

 

There was no logic not to replace khaleel in yesterday's match but still they played khaleel - it indicates either team management were biased or Shardul is not good enough.

why is the team supporting krunnal pandya so much? washi is bowling better and he bats well too...krunnal is not Hardik, he is a bit less talented as a batsman and also as a bowler, as a spinner he does not spin or turns.

i did not see dube 's bowling so cant comment but he seems a hard hitting batsman for sure.

[vishalvirsingh]

On 11/7/2019 at 1:25 AM, maniac said:

Sreeshanth was a lost case. The guy was one of the most talented fast bowlers I have seen play for india but he wasn’t right in the head. 
 

unfortunately for him he didn’t have good mentors either. He was ridiculed by his captain after bowling a nearly match winning spell. Dhoni clearly had an agenda against him.  That is no excuse though, still has himself to blame for the way he messed up.
 

RP singh too should have been a 200+ Odi and test wicket bowler. Again blame on himself for taking it for granted.

 

We have to admire guys like Zak and even Ishant for taking matters into their own hands and coming back strongly. Also helped that they had their captains backing- Ganguly and Dhoni

 

Munaf and Nehra became LOI  specialists but they could have been rotated well and preserved for all formats rather than having them take the call. 
 

Irfan was a case of too many cooks spoil the broth. Had too many people in his ear. 
 

In terms of skills these guys were dare I say as good if  not better than our current pace attack collectively.

 

All these bowlers were capable of running through line ups. 
 

 

 

 

my view about Sreesanth is a bit Soft.

totally agree that he had NO CAPABILITY to manage his TEMPER.

but do u guys think that DHONI and/or the COACHES who managed him and the INDIA COACH who managed the team at that time.

Were they not responsible to manage such a "Rare Gold" , Every one is managing Bumrah now as he is " rare gold" now but why was sreesanth not managed carefully.

The KIND OF BIG SALARY they are Paid is just to watch the players playing ???

Blaming only Sreesanth about his temper issues is partially correct, others should also be blamed.

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 11/8/2019 at 12:59 PM, vishalvirsingh said:

my view about Sreesanth is a bit Soft.

totally agree that he had NO CAPABILITY to manage his TEMPER.

but do u guys think that DHONI and/or the COACHES who managed him and the INDIA COACH who managed the team at that time.

no one was able to manage him dhoni, dravid, kumble...he played under all. He had issues in IPL to which had diff captains n coaches. One thing was comman he himself. 

On 11/8/2019 at 12:59 PM, vishalvirsingh said:

Were they not responsible to manage such a "Rare Gold" , Every one is managing Bumrah now as he is " rare gold" now but why was sreesanth not managed carefully.

Bumrah had the right attitude sree didnt. Ultimately it all comes down to the player. Bumrah focus is cricket but wasnt same case with sreesanth. 

On 11/8/2019 at 12:59 PM, vishalvirsingh said:

The KIND OF BIG SALARY they are Paid is just to watch the players playing ???

Blaming only Sreesanth about his temper issues is partially correct, others should also be blamed.

 

No other shud be blamed...there were others also with him like irfan, rp , munaf and all declined but none had such temper issues like sreesanth. 

 

Had he been a part of Aus or england cricket team he wud have gotten it from the board. 

[vishalvirsingh]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

no one was able to manage him dhoni, dravid, kumble...he played under all. He had issues in IPL to which had diff captains n coaches. One thing was comman he himself. 

Bumrah had the right attitude sree didnt. Ultimately it all comes down to the player. Bumrah focus is cricket but wasnt same case with sreesanth. 

No other shud be blamed...there were others also with him like irfan, rp , munaf and all declined but none had such temper issues like sreesanth. 

 

Had he been a part of Aus or england cricket team he wud have gotten it from the board. 

I agree to each point that you have shared @Ankit_sharma03

I expected the big Salaried coaches and his ex captains including dhoni to manage him better.

Everyone knows his temper issues and his in capability to manage his body and mind.

Still I trust that he had a brief international career ..he himself, his family and his coaches and captains all share equal responsibility.

I saw him bowling 135 to 149k and ball pitching on Seam..his control over seam was better than Shammi and bhuvi.

He had mastered the art to pitch the ball on seam and had capability to bowl upto 145k at his will.

Ball that got kallis out on a bouncer won us the Test match.

He ,varun aroon ,salil ankola ,atul wassan ,abbey kurruvilla were probably the unlucky bowlers who should have played for India more.

 

Everyone agrees about these 4 being good enough to play for India much more.

I blame exselectors for this.

Hope saini and siraj get their due as they are Ready now.

Folks like me and you are doing our job by creating right noise and influencing fans to support saini siraj