Limitations of Every players that TM needs to keep in mind while selection as they usually mix it up

[Ankit_sharma03]

One of the most simplest things that kohli n shastri havent been able to understand

 

TM needs to keep in mind that most players work in certain condition, format or situation better then in all condition. Only a very few like Bumrah, Kohli are all format, condition ,situation players. Virat n shastri have messed up the selection so many times that it has effected our results

E.g- 

1. Rohit selected over Rahane in SA. Rahane struggle at home has nothing to do with his batting overseas for him those conditions are much suitable to his batting then indian conditions
2. Ishant being pref over umesh in 1st test in SA series at home. Ishant is a better bowler then umesh outside india but in India umesh is far better....Ishant shud only be looked at if its pink ball or its going move around a lot which happens quite rarely
3. Shami, jadeja, dhawa, manish, dhoni selection in t20
4. Selection of bhajji in 2015 SL tour based on IPL number when he was clearly struggling to pick wkts in domestic 
5. Selection of Dhawan over Rahul in Sa....even though both failed but rahul was always a better test batsman. Both even failed in Eng but atleast Rahul played a 150 knock. 
6. Selection of Rahane in ODI past years 
7. Selection of Rayudu on basis of minnow n easy condition bashing whereas it was clear in 2015 only that he struggles against quality pace n bounce

 

Neways these examples are endless

 

So the limitations - 

 

• Ishant Sharma- Better bowler when its doing a bit , not great in Indian condition certainely not better then umesh
• umesh- havent been good outside india with kookabura, now he ll get a lot of pref based on his home bowling . At home shud always be pref over bhuvi n ishant 
• Shami- not a t20 bowler
• jadeja- not a successful t20 player
• Rahane - a must overseas. Not a LOI player
• Dhawan- Not a t20 or test player
• Karthik - only good when u have no option other then to hit from ball 1
• manish pandey- not a t20 player specially of lower order 
• Deepak chahar- skills best used only in t20s 
• Vijay shankar- not a lower order hitter coz before the WC he was sent for that role whereas he is a proper middler order batsman

Edited November 26, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[sandeep]

Not a word for Bhuvi.  

 

[maniac]

5 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Not a word for Bhuvi.  

 

I will fill you in. Good for green tracks but mostly useless. Good 3rd seamer for odis and T20s but needs to improve his batting or else competes with Pandya. Pandya the better bat and Bhuvi the better bowler obviously. Place for only one of the middle of the road players 

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Not a word for Bhuvi.  

 

Fine in most areas

[sandeep]

7 minutes ago, maniac said:

I will fill you in. Good for green tracks but mostly useless. Good 3rd seamer for odis and T20s but needs to improve his batting or else competes with Pandya. Pandya the better bat and Bhuvi the better bowler obviously. Place for only one of the middle of the road players 

 

[putrevus]

You are dealing with players and their careers not robots.As a fan you can piegon hole any player into a particular role but as a selector and captain they cannot/shouldn't do it.It will kill players motive to become better, if they did what you wanted Pandya who is nothing but a bits and pieces player wouldn't have played test cricket.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

You are dealing with players and their careers not robots.As a fan you can piegon hole any player into a particular role but as a selector and captain they cannot/shouldn't do it.It will kill players motive to become better, if they did what you wanted Pandya who is nothing but a bits and pieces player wouldn't have played test cricket.

 

 

Cricket is not played by image in ur head....his perfomance was good n bad as most specialist 

N also wasnt virat plan was to play players acc to conditions

 

Lets not talk about career n all with this team mngmt creating most insecurity among players. What motivation has virat created among players specially young ones are to be seen . 

Edited November 26, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[putrevus]

22 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Cricket is not played by image in ur head....his perfomance was good n bad as most specialist 

N also wasnt virat plan was to play players acc to conditions

 

Lets not talk about career n all with this team mngmt creating most insecurity among players. What motivation has virat created among players specially young ones are to be seen . 

Pandya once was out of the team made this test team better and it will stay better until those morons try to reintegrate him into the team again.

 

Kohli is not there to babysit players, he is there to win matches,He and TM are doing just fine other than trying to make Pandya into a test allrounder.

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Pandya once was out of the team made this test team better and it will stay better until those morons try to reintegrate him into the team again.

How did it made better.....this side got better when other chipped in

In aus the total contribution of 6th number was one fifty just one  which was basically what pandya did on Sa n eng tour and WI doesnt have that quality of SENA . Its in ur head

 

Like it was that look at curran why cant pandya be like n i said let him go abroad n now that he has ...he n pandya stand very close in terms of numbers but pandya ha a 5 wkt haul n 100 curran doesnt have either. So all in ur head

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Kohli is not there to babysit players, he is there to win matches,

N clearly these selection blunder only costed him matches 

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He and TM are doing just fine other than trying to make Pandya into a test allrounder.

And that was the reason they won in England . All rounder are not made in a day....go n check where most all rounder stood around 10-11 test and 90 test wudd be near or even less then pandya

Edited November 26, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

How did it made better.....this side got better when other chipped in

In aus the total contribution of 6th number was one fifty just one  which was basically what pandya did on Sa n eng tour and WI doesnt have that quality of SENA . Its in ur head

 

Like it was that look at curran why cant pandya be like n i said let him go abroad n now that he has ...he n pandya stand very close in terms of numbers but pandya ha a 5 wkt haul n 100 curran doesnt have either. So all in ur head

N clearly these selection blunder only costed him matches 

And that was the reason they won in England . All rounder are not made in a day....go n check where most all rounder stood around 10-11 test and 90 test wudd be near or even less then pandya

If he was not in the team, they would have won both series in SA and England. No selection blunder was worse than selecting Pandya into test team.

[sandeep]

10 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Pandya once was out of the team made this test team better and it will stay better until those morons try to reintegrate him into the team again.

 

Kohli is not there to babysit players, he is there to win matches,He and TM are doing just fine other than trying to make Pandya into a test allrounder.

Does Colin DeGrandhomme make the NZ team better or worse in kiwi conditions?

 

In one post you talk about not pigeon-holing players, and in another you go on a typical rant against a guy you detest.  The irony.

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

If he was not in the team, they would have won both series in SA and England. No selection blunder was worse than selecting Pandya into test team.

Really how ??

coz the player on bench was Rohit sharma in Sa who hasnt scored a single 50 in SA in 2 tours

players on bench was vihari who scored a 50 in england but not a single 50 in aus.....plus england figured out he had issues with short pitch when stokes started bouncing. If vihari wud have played ....we wont even had won that 1 test . N even if vihari wud have scored we still wudnt have won coz we needed 2 more batsman to score as in Aus Pujara, mayank, pant all scored as well . Players like kohli, rahane, pujara cudnt win us in england who have much better quality then vihari n u expect vihari.....again one of those curran like myth in ur head 

 

No one can win in SA n ENG without playing practice games n doing selection blunder like Rohit n dhawan

Edited November 26, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Really how ??

coz the player on bench was Rohit sharma in Sa who hasnt scored a single 50 in SA in 2 tours

players on bench was vihari who scored a 50 in england but not a single 50 in aus.....plus england figured out he had issues with short pitch when stokes started bouncing. If vihari wud have played ....we wont even had won that 1 test . N even if vihari wud have scored we still wudnt have won coz we needed 2 more batsman to score as in Aus Pujara, mayank, pant all scored as well 

I repeat there is no bigger selection blunder than trying to make Pandya into a test player.Bits and pieces players are not the answer for anything in test cricket.

Edited November 26, 2019 by putrevus

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, putrevus said:

I repeat there is no bigger selection blunder than trying to make Pandya in test player.Bits and pieces players are not the answer for anything in test cricket.

So he is a bigger blunder then dhawan selection who doesnt even have a single 50 in SA in two tours , pandya almost had a 100

So he is a bigger blunder then dhawan selection who doesnt even have a single 50 in eng in two tours , pandya had a 50

So he is a bigger blunder then Rohit  selection who doesnt even have a single 50 in SA in two tours , Pandya has on its 1st tour

Not playing a practice game wasnt a disastor .

 

Matalb player failing on 2- tours are less disastor then guy who did something n won u a game to

 

get some strong argument, even dhawan rohit stats laugh at ur logic 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I repeat there is no bigger selection blunder than trying to make Pandya into a test player.Bits and pieces players are not the answer for anything in test cricket.

u also kept repeating how india has no batting talent when kohli messed up no.4 ab Iyer konse ande se nikal aaya 

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I repeat there is no bigger selection blunder than trying to make Pandya into a test player.Bits and pieces players are not the answer for anything in test cricket.

wasnt rayudu re-selection a disastor when everyone knew he cant play pace n bounce in 2015 and he got the most run unlike most youngsters who got 2-3 games 

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I repeat there is no bigger selection blunder than trying to make Pandya into a test player.Bits and pieces players are not the answer for anything in test cricket.

Isnt dhawan persistance in t20 one of the biggest disastors when this guy record in t20 is poor...and he was dropped midway in past 2 WC.

Disastor ki to ginti at krwao 

Edited November 26, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[zen]

Pandya won us a test in Eng! 

[Ankit_sharma03]

14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

If he was not in the team, they would have won both series in SA and England. No selection blunder was worse than selecting Pandya into test team.

Didnt they drop pandya in 5th test england and yet ended up loosing .....waha kyun haar gaye despite great innings by pant n rahul

but pandya was part of both the wins in ENG, Sa

[Ankit_sharma03]

13 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Does Colin DeGrandhomme make the NZ team better or worse in kiwi conditions?

 

In one post you talk about not pigeon-holing players, and in another you go on a typical rant against a guy you detest.  The irony.

Good u reminded me of CDGH did pretty well in this test....runs n wkts both....for all the flak he gets

A test avg of 40 and bowling avg of 29 is damn good