Is a 6th bowling option really that important?

[zen]

4 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

     If you  look past history , game has changed a lot after changes in rules of having 4 fielders during 11-40 overs and 2 new balls .

     No more your part timers , pie chuckers are effective in that period of play whereas earlier these part timers could get way with more cover  at the 

     boundary.  Its good if a top batsman can bowl some overs , and here India is in a bad spot as none bowl. 

     Better to go for pure bat who can bowl a  few overs if needed rather than dilute quality of batting /bowling  by going for 6th bowling option who is neither a top bat nor a top bowler like what they did today with Shardul . It should have been Saini  a pure bowler than a neither bat nor the best of 4  bowler available case like Shardul.  

Shardul is not a great example. To me, he is more like a Bhajji, who can swing a few, and good for #8-11. Saini who bats in #8-11 should be in but I guess he was not played as he was suffering from jet leg .... The guys selected for their ability to bat and bowl should be good enough to bat at 6 and bowl 5 overs or so. And, ideally, also bring some unique strengths to the 11 

[prudent_kreeda]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

not trump but just to have some one with more control rather then to rely on guys who dont even bowl in nets . On days even khote sikke like jadhav, shankar, dube has come through with ball. Objective is to have cushion not that these guys will run through opposition. Neways in 20 over cricket how much batting does a 6 or 7 number gets so one can be a bowling all rounder and another can be batting all rounder. In ODI surely u can look at guys who can play longer but then we mostly have batsman for top order ..

 

if u look at the options for no.6 most of them bowl

 

Rana- bowls

Sky- can 1-2 overs

jadeja- he does

Axar- he does

Pant- he doesnt

Dube- he does

Sundar- he does

Abhishek sharma- he does

Krunal- he does

DK- he doesnt

jadhav- he does

Kishen- he doesnt

 

 

surely we cant be looking to make guys like shaw, samson, gill , mayank bat at 6 coz thats not their position. 

     I think present set who are waiting to come to playing X1 have missed the trick by neglecting bowling completely. There is still time , some of these can  gain skill to bowl 2-3 overs  players like Gill , Shaw -  if things go well , they may play for 8-10 years , if not ,their chances of being a permanent member may diminish.  

   The current U19 batch seem to have corrected this as most of the batsmen also bowl .    

  The best workaround  would be till you have pure bats who can bowl a bit , or a  real good new all rounder comes on the scene , go with 4 bowler s+ 1 all rounder most of the time . 

As & When you have a pure bat who also bowls a bit prefer such a bat in top 6 . 

Who knows we may see a very good all rounder coming up . Yuvi seem to working with Abhishek Sharma  in his development . 

Lets hope for the best.

[Ankit_sharma03]

16 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

 

Who knows we may see a very good all rounder coming up . Yuvi seem to working with Abhishek Sharma  in his development . 

Lets hope for the best.

really ? some article on it

that kid has a gift of timing ....when he bats he looks to have so much time .

Im keenly looking at how abdul samad n abhishek sharma progress for this spot 

[RajBan]

Both Kohli and Rohit used to bowl in their initial years, what stopped them in maintaining  that skill? It's always handy to be able to bowl 2-3 overs. While Kohli expects KL to be a full time keeper to render balance to the side, I don't see him following his own preaching when it comes to him and other senior players.

[prudent_kreeda]

9 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

really ? some article on it

that kid has a gift of timing ....when he bats he looks to have so much time .

Im keenly looking at how abdul samad n abhishek sharma progress for this spot 

   I think it was a recent interview of Mandeep singh  where he was saying Yuvi often flies from Mumbai to Punjab matches  and  discusses with Punjab players and also spends time with Abhishek on his game  

[Autonomous]

I think a batsman who can bowl an over or two works fine as 6th bowling option(t20s). 

 

Shoaib Malik does that type of thing well. 

 

I have never seen Kohli with the ball now btw, he can surely deliver few cutters etc. with his medium pace bowling. 

Edited January 25, 2020 by Autonomous

[Khota]

Absolutely not. You need to go with 5 frontline strike bowlers and see what happens. If one of them has a bad day than roll with it and move on.

[Vijy]

best combo IMO is 4 bowlers + 2 batting ARs or 3 bowlers + 1 bowling AR + 2 batting ARs.

[SecondSlip]

BUMP! 
 

For the current scenario, instead of playing Shivam Dube, why not give Rishabh Pant a go instead? 
 

We don’t need 2 overs of Dube’s bowling. I’ll take Pant’s batting anyday! 
 

@Global.Baba

Edited January 31, 2020 by SecondSlip

[zen]

9 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:

BUMP! 
 

For the current scenario, instead of playing Shivam Dube, why not give Rishabh Pant a go instead? 
 

We don’t need 2 overs of Dube’s bowling. I’ll take Pant’s batting anyday! 
 

@Global.Baba

Dube may not be a great example of an AR .... but note that if Dube had not bowled, NZ could have won as he was filling in overs for Sundar, who was having a rough day 

 

After looking at the scorecard,  if you want to replace Sundar, who is a youngster being groomed in a dead rubber, with a specialist bowler, .... 

Edited January 31, 2020 by zen

[jalebi_bhai]

Pandya at 6

Jadeja at 7

And I can't believe I'm saying this....Thakur at 8 

 

Or

 

Can't believe I'm saying this as well...Shankar at 6

Pandya at 7

Jadeja at 8

 

5 specialist batsmen + 3 specialist bowlers + 3 ARs is the combo that the TM is trying at the moment in T20s

[Global.Baba]

5 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said:

Pandya at 6

Jadeja at 7

And I can't believe I'm saying this....Thakur at 8 

 

Or

 

Can't believe I'm saying this as well...Shankar at 6

Pandya at 7

Jadeja at 8

 

5 specialist batsmen + 3 specialist bowlers + 3 ARs is the combo that the TM is trying at the moment in T20s

 @jalebi_bhai I am global.baba (don’t forget the dot) long time no see.

[jalebi_bhai]

4 hours ago, Global.Baba said:

 @jalebi_bhai I am global.baba (don’t forget the dot) long time no see.

Baba-ji

 

Don't worry, the dot will never be forgotten

[jf1gp_1]

If virat or rohit are so in need of 6th option then why don’t they start bowling which both can.