Jimmy Cliff Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: More likely he is clueless about how these things go in real life. Hasn't stopped him from listing other treatments that were authorized before being jettisoned . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said: Hasn't stopped him from listing other treatments that were authorized before being jettisoned . If he really knew why they could've been jettisoned and bothered to think about risk/benefit rather than "design" arguments, I could give BOTD. Maybe Ivermectin maker paid him to keep it away from his tweet? By design, he kept it away. Anyone can play this BS game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cliff Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: If he really knew why they could've been jettisoned and bothered to think about risk/benefit rather than "design" arguments, I could give BOTD. Maybe Ivermectin maker paid him to keep it away from his tweet? By design, he kept it away. Anyone can play this BS game. Or maybe it is still actually working? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said: Or maybe it is still actually working? Mumbai HC has mandated it on it's own, our judiciary is more pro-active than medical "experts". https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/covid-19-with-fewer-side-effects-ivermectin-still-used-widely-in-india-despite-who-recommendation-against-it/article34540312.ece https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/nagpur/govt-reluctant-to-take-virus-by-horns-hc/articleshow/82417047.cms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jimmy Cliff said: Or maybe it is still actually working? I certainly hope they are right, although one should call BS on their vaccine derision. Edited May 20, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texy Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Chinese architecture and workmanship at its finest, an image they work hard to hide from te world trying to compete with the West mishra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 11 hours ago, Texy said: Chinese architecture and workmanship at its finest, an image they work hard to hide from te world trying to compete with the West As i say, wait for 5 years. Things will unravel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 14 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Mumbai HC has mandated it on it's own, our judiciary is more pro-active than medical "experts". https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/covid-19-with-fewer-side-effects-ivermectin-still-used-widely-in-india-despite-who-recommendation-against-it/article34540312.ece https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/nagpur/govt-reluctant-to-take-virus-by-horns-hc/articleshow/82417047.cms After digging up some publications last night and reading them, I can say with confidence that Ivermectin has finally crossed Step 4 and reached Step 5 of the 7-step CoViD drug process (From Hype to Premature mass use). We shall see where it goes - hopefully in a different direction than HCQ, plasma, Remdesivir, Favipiravir, Tocilizumab and others. I have more hopes for the DRDO drug 2-DG, though. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 2 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: After digging up some publications last night and reading them, I can say with confidence that Ivermectin has finally crossed Step 4 and reached Step 5 of the 7-step CoViD drug process (From Hype to Premature mass use). We shall see where it goes - hopefully in a different direction than HCQ, plasma, Remdesivir, Favipiravir, Tocilizumab and others. I have more hopes for the DRDO drug 2-DG, though. In who research, Ivermectin found 83% successful as prophylaxis but later they back tracked under pressure of vaccine lobby which is funding them. WHO is nothing more than a sell out organization now. Jimmy Cliff and beetle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cliff Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Looks like they made a mockery of Steps 2 & 3 with Remdesivir. But I am sure there was no conflict of interest involved. Everyone just shut up and tRuSt tHe sCiEnCe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said: Looks like they made a mockery of Steps 2 & 3 with Remdesivir. But I am sure there was no conflict of interest involved. Everyone just shut up and tRuSt tHe sCiEnCe. For FFS. This is getting worse by the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: For FFS. This is getting worse by the day. Same story as HCQ, plasma, favipiravir etc. Times of Despair. Something gives a bit of hope. Manufacturer hypes it. Reality does not meet hype. Abandoned. Problem is - people start with this premise: Big Pharma and Fauci are in cahoots. Everything else is made to fit this premise. Ivermectin is in "Hype" phase right now. Let's see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, rkt.india said: In who research, Ivermectin found 83% successful as prophylaxis but later they back tracked under pressure of vaccine lobby which is funding them. WHO is nothing more than a sell out organization now. (a) WHO may be a sell out. (b) The study was not an DB-RCT and thus not robust. (a) does not preclude (b) Edited May 21, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cliff Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 35 minutes ago, rkt.india said: In who research, Ivermectin found 83% successful as prophylaxis but later they back tracked under pressure of vaccine lobby which is funding them. WHO is nothing more than a sell out organization now. WHO faked a Pandemic in 2010 itself. And no, this isn't from any Kaanspiracy website but from a mainstream outlet like Forbes. Of course when someone pointed to that article last year, they immediately purged it from their website . Thankfully there is still an archived link if someone wants to read. This is the most interesting part of the article. Sounds suspiciously similar to The Great Reset sales pitch that we have been hearing since last year . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 This guy was right more than an year back about everything that has come to pass. And Dr Fauci is in real trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Fauci uncle. Yes rkt.india 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Can we replace China with Fauci in the OP title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Can we replace China with Fauci in the OP title? Whatever happened still happened in China under Chinese govt who also seem complicit. beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: Can we replace China with Fauci in the OP title? At that time, it was just one among several competing hypotheses. Anyone who was convinced then and was convincing others that it was a lab-release or natural origin was fooling themselves and everyone else too. It was a classic case of confirmation bias: Blamers: First, they decided that it was China. Kept saying it was deliberate lab leak. With no evidence, except a well-deserved suspicion of China. Nature-lovers: "OMG, man interfered with nature. Nature is fighting back." No evidence, except it fit their man-vs-nature narrative. Wait-and-seers: All options are on the table. Lab leak, including carelessness, is quite possible. Let's see what the sequencing and other data look like before deciding. For 1 year, nature lovers thumped their chests! Now, blamers are thumping their chests! But the likely winners are the "wait-and-seers." Same thing is happening with variants. We so badly want to believe that some nefarious organization or govt planted the variants (narrative-fitting), while molecular evolutionary biologists are screaming from message-board rooftops that natural sequence variation more than adequately explains it. Jimmy Cliff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: At that time, it was just one among several competing hypotheses. Anyone who was convinced then and was convincing others that it was a lab-release or natural origin was fooling themselves and everyone else too. It was a classic case of confirmation bias: Blamers: First, they decided that it was China. Kept saying it was deliberate lab leak. With no evidence, except a well-deserved suspicion of China. Nature-lovers: "OMG, man interfered with nature. Nature is fighting back." No evidence, except it fit their man-vs-nature narrative. Wait-and-seers: All options are on the table. Lab leak, including carelessness, is quite possible. Let's see what the sequencing and other data look like before deciding. For 1 year, nature lovers thumped their chests! Now, blamers are thumping their chests! But the likely winners are the "wait-and-seers." Same thing is happening with variants. We so badly want to believe that some nefarious organization or govt planted the variants (narrative-fitting), while molecular evolutionary biologists are screaming from message-board rooftops that natural sequence variation more than adequately explains it. Can you tell how many such deadly contagious variants did we see of swine flu, bird flu, even MERS that created this kind of destruction? For this, we have already seen Brazil variant, SA variant, Uk variant. India double mutant, Indian triple mutant. But no US variant and no Chinese variant. Edited May 24, 2021 by rkt.india Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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