maniac Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: (Spoilers) I watched Raazi and felt violated. I didn’t recommend it to anyone and asked them to not watch it. Showing Pakistanis as peaceniks and forgiving and Indians as ruthless warmongers justifying murders of ordinary holy human Pakistani Army people for the sake of a mere war. After all the trouble she takes, RAW leaves her for the dead and doesn’t back her. She had to fend for herself. Yeah right! Don’t buy it a true story, even though I have read the interviews of the supposed spy who apparently did it all. I failed brother I just saw it as yet another spy thriller and the liberandus have got me there. I am ashamed. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) @Gollum you are just a contrarian , some in your list are ATGs Edited April 24, 2020 by coffee_rules Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cliff Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Gollum said: Will come in installments , otherwise will take me half the day. Starting with some English movies off the top of my head. Lost in Translation Dark Knight Rises Pulp Fiction Reservoir Dogs Chariots of Fire Mulholland Drive Fight Club Inception Titanic Casino Taxi Driver Raging Bull Heat Wolf of Wall Street One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest Se7en It's a Wonderful Life Scarface Toy Story series Inside Out Leon: The Professional There Will Be Blood No Country for Old Men Lion King the 1994 one The Departed Agree on quite a few of these. Pulp Fiction underwhelmed me on the first viewing but gets much better on rewatches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 I am with @Gollum on this. Its baffling that a movie like Inception is hailed as cinematic master piece. It was a very average movie with a plot line that made as much sense as Jaani Dushman. Jaani Dushman has become a cult in India for memes and is a doyen of the all things wrong with Bollywood in the fantasy genre. Inception on the other hand is counted as an all time classic/path breaking cinema. And yet people say the average American cine-goer is more cine savvy than his/her Indian counterpart. Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) Forrest Gump is basically a Taare Zameen Par with a totally unnecessary and force fitted zeitgeist. Edited April 24, 2020 by Mariyam Just wanted to use a fancy word Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Forrest Gump is basically a Taare Zameen Par with a totally unnecessary and force fitted history angle. It is not a linear story. FG is about how you can weave historical events in one story and make it not outrageous. Great performances Tom Hanks lived that character. Aamir Khan is making it in Hindi now Lal Singh Chaddha, it will be one cringefest. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/first-look-aamir-khan-forrest-gump-bollywood-remake-1255614 Edited April 24, 2020 by coffee_rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: It is not a linear story. FG is about how you can weave historical events in one story and make it not outrageous. Great performances Tom Hanks lived that character. Aamir Khan is making it in Hindi now Lal Singh Chaddha, it will be one cringefest. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/first-look-aamir-khan-forrest-gump-bollywood-remake-1255614 More than cringe fest I am curious about the pseudo history that we will see as basic premise of Forrest Gump is covering significant American pop culture events through the eyes of the lead character who is autistic. Now that brings to the second thing, how an autistic/ mentally disabled character will he portrayed by main stream bollywood. That itself should be a scary thought. Edited April 24, 2020 by maniac coffee_rules and Gollum 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, maniac said: More than cringe fest I am curious about the pseudo history that we will see as basic premise of Forrest Gump is covering significant American pop culture events through the eyes of the lead character who is autistic. Now that brings to the second thing, how an autistic/ mentally disabled character will he portrayed by main stream bollywood. That itself should be a scary thought. I am sure some leftist historian version of Gandhi getting killed by saffron robe wearing sadhu, emergency forced by IG to fight politicians, Babri mosque and riots with only Muslims getting killed maniac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 A well thought overrated list would ideally consider genre. Not every film is targeted for everyone. Ideally an overrated/underrated film would be from the genre that you prefer/understand/follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Mariyam said: Forrest Gump is basically a Taare Zameen Par with a totally unnecessary and force fitted zeitgeist. I enjoyed TZP more than FG. Must also say that Tom Hanks is an overrated actor with very little emotional range, but if there is one role that suits him it is that of an autistic/mentally disabled person....no one could have played the title character of FG better. Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 I have noticed people criticizing mostly fantasy movies like Harry Potter etc and superhero movies as overrated or even movies like Forrest Gump. However people need to realize that it takes a lot of creativity to come up with a universe, give a certain rules to the universe, give some logic to why the characters are the way they are and within that space make us suspend our disbelief and get engaged. We all know dragons and hobbits don’t exist but when we watch it most of us are drawn into that universe. That’s what makes them that much more amazing. You see a movie like Avengers, people were invested with those characters, they followed the universe, they had great characters with depth played by really good actors. The attention to detail on CGI was incredible. If that is not great filmmaking then don’t know what is. For me a bad/ overrated movie is where the narrative logic has a lot of holes, bad acting, lack of character depth or technical errors like bad CGI or leaving a coffee cup on a medieval set etc. Slumdog Millionaire to me would be an overrated movie. Caricatures and generalization , lack of depth in the characters and really bad acting. Dev Patel has evolved into a fine actor since then however rest of the cast was real poor. Now it won a lot of oscars and that is an undisputed overrated movie in my book. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) Part II: American Beauty The Shining Dr. Strangelove... @Stradlater will unsheathe his Rajput sword if we ever come face to face Once Upon a Time in Hollywood Casablanca French movies like Amelie, The Intouchables Argo The Shape of Water Birdman The Seventh Seal Unbreakable Gran Torino The Big Lebowski Mad Max ****...Mel Gibson ones How to Train Your Dragon series Catch Me If You Can Zodiac....piece of garbage compared to Memories of Murder The Fighter Arrival The Revenant 127 Hours Shakespeare in Love Capote The Master The Aviator Mystic River 1917...agree with @Mariyam Edited April 24, 2020 by Gollum Jimmy Cliff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Slumdog Millionaire....100% garbage, I question the sanity of those who enjoyed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 @Jimmy Cliff you disagree with some of my choices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cliff Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 31 minutes ago, Gollum said: @Jimmy Cliff you disagree with some of my choices? I prefer Memories of Murder to Zodiac as well but calling Zodiac garbage is going too far. It's a great film in it's own right and Fincher's best IMO. I am fond of Dr. Strangelove too. Gollum and maniac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 52 minutes ago, Gollum said: @Jimmy Cliff you disagree with some of my choices? You gotta give reasons, not just a list. Take for example There will be blood or No country for old men. Leave out movies like The Big Lewbowski that you don’t get it. That’s blasphemy it is an ATG. Your list is arbitrary and best ignored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: You gotta give reasons, not just a list. Why? Even OP didn't give reasons, neither did majority posters. Too lazy to explain my thought process. Quote Take for example There will be blood or No country for old men. Leave out movies like The Big Lewbowski that you don’t get it. That’s blasphemy it is an ATG. Your list is arbitrary and best ignored My list is the holy gospel and you are all bound to agree with everything I wrote. Your disapproval has been noted and here is my response Edited April 24, 2020 by Gollum coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said: I prefer Memories of Murder to Zodiac as well but calling Zodiac garbage is going too far. It's a great film in it's own right and Fincher's best IMO. I am fond of Dr. Strangelove too. Never seen memories but Zodiac is definitely one of the finest thrillers ever made on that genre with some amazing performances. Funny that it has 3 Marvel actors (if you include Gyllenhall) pre-Marvel days giving outstanding performances. Love David Fincher. The Game is one of the most underrated thrillers directed by him as well. Jimmy Cliff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Gollum said: Part II: American Beauty The Shining Dr. Strangelove... @Stradlater will unsheathe his Rajput sword if we ever come face to face Once Upon a Time in Hollywood Casablanca French movies like Amelie, The Intouchables Argo The Shape of Water Birdman The Seventh Seal Unbreakable Gran Torino The Big Lebowski Mad Max ****...Mel Gibson ones How to Train Your Dragon series Catch Me If You Can Zodiac....piece of garbage compared to Memories of Murder The Fighter Arrival The Revenant 127 Hours Shakespeare in Love Capote The Master The Aviator Mystic River 1917...agree with @Mariyam I haven’t seen 1917 and Seventh Seal in your list. Now I have to absolutely check them out based on what you think is overrated obviously there are a few other in your list like those French movies for example which I would never watch anyways because not my cup of tea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, maniac said: I have noticed people criticizing mostly fantasy movies like Harry Potter etc and superhero movies as overrated or even movies like Forrest Gump. However people need to realize that it takes a lot of creativity to come up with a universe, give a certain rules to the universe, give some logic to why the characters are the way they are and within that space make us suspend our disbelief and get engaged. We all know dragons and hobbits don’t exist but when we watch it most of us are drawn into that universe. That’s what makes them that much more amazing. You see a movie like Avengers, people were invested with those characters, they followed the universe, they had great characters with depth played by really good actors. The attention to detail on CGI was incredible. If that is not great filmmaking then don’t know what is. For me a bad/ overrated movie is where the narrative logic has a lot of holes, bad acting, lack of character depth or technical errors like bad CGI or leaving a coffee cup on a medieval set etc. Slumdog Millionaire to me would be an overrated movie. Caricatures and generalization , lack of depth in the characters and really bad acting. Dev Patel has evolved into a fine actor since then however rest of the cast was real poor. Now it won a lot of oscars and that is an undisputed overrated movie in my book. Have to disagree. Harry Potter is legit fantastic literature. Centuries from now, those books are what would be termed as classics for this era. Also many Potterisms would find its way into the English language. Don't be such a muggle and compare HP and the the DC Universe. JK Rowling has created an entire world out there and improvised along the way. The DC Universe also has a lot of written history. But unlike HP, it is written by many different authors over different time periods and there is hardly much interaction between the various 'heroes'. That interaction is the work of the script writers in the last 5 odd years. Point being, the universe backstories aren't as vividly crafted as the HP characters. Ofcourse the DC Universe is a big money spinner and they get good actors and brilliant CGI teams. But the characters they essay are horribly superficial. And I'm sure you'd find more holes in the DC Universe narrative than you would on a tarpaulin sheet above a chai-samosa wala's thela at Marine Lines station on a rainy July night. Forrest Gump, is not even well written IMO. Edited April 24, 2020 by Mariyam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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