zen Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) Should Imran Khan's cricket record be stripped? Home Records type all-round analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or West Indies Home or away home venue Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menuCleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff unfiltered 1971-1992 88 3807 136 37.69 6 362 8/58 22.81 23 28 0 14.88 Profile filtered 1976-1990 31 1317 123 45.41 3 132 8/60 20.66 7 10 0 24.74 Away Records type all-round analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or West Indies Home or away away (home of opposition) Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menuCleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff unfiltered 1971-1992 88 3807 136 37.69 6 362 8/58 22.81 23 28 0 14.88 Profile filtered 1971-1990 47 2219 136 35.22 3 184 7/40 26.39 13 13 0 8.82 Against India at home (potentially extra cheating ) Records type all-round analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team India Home or away home venue Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menuCleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff unfiltered 1971-1992 88 3807 136 37.69 6 362 8/58 22.81 23 28 0 14.88 Profile filtered 1978-1989 13 613 117 68.11 2 67 8/60 22.43 4 7 0 45.67 In India Records type all-round analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team India Home or away away (home of opposition) Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menuCleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff unfiltered 1971-1992 88 3807 136 37.69 6 362 8/58 22.81 23 28 0 14.88 Profile filtered 1979-1987 10 478 135* 39.83 1 27 5/63 28.03 2 0 0 11.79 Edited May 10, 2020 by zen Link to comment
zen Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 So blatant in an ODI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Vze-zLR5Y Link to comment
raki05 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Pakistanis are born cheater and liars most of them. It's ingrained in them and kali daal is supreme leader in cheating and fixing. Link to comment
Gollum Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Definitely. Imran, Wasim, Waqar are in no way comparable to bowlers with similar avg/SR. Imran also was lucky with home umpiring, him and Miandad were undisputed crooks of the 70s/80s. Link to comment
Norman Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 39 minutes ago, Gollum said: Definitely. Imran, Wasim, Waqar are in no way comparable to bowlers with similar avg/SR. Imran also was lucky with home umpiring, him and Miandad were undisputed crooks of the 70s/80s. Don't forget bottle caps. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) Nothing can be officially done w.r.t this because he has been the beneficiary of ' primarily pre multi camera days & then lack of neutral umpires' . Times have changed and we all are aware as to what happened to a brilliant batsman like Steven Smith who just happend to be the captain of that AUS team which cheated. I think 'handling of Smith' needs to be taken as the template in judging the cricketing achievements & there by the greatness of a chronic ball tamperor like Imran by the lovers of the game who believe in integrity, honesty, ethics & fair play. Based on that, I for one just can't take the credentials of this cheater as such any more . If I am to rate the ATG all rounders, I would definitely take this criteria into account On a side note, huge respects to Balwinder Sandhu who had proclaimed years back that he can't take the stats of this cheater as such Edited May 11, 2020 by rtmohanlal Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 If there is one person who shud be stripped off his record it shud be saeed ajmal....chuck krna ek cheez hoti but BC 45 deg is too much Link to comment
Gollum Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: If there is one person who shud be stripped off his record it shud be saeed ajmal....chuck krna ek cheez hoti but BC 45 deg is too much Bingo, so many Pak wins in 2010s have '*' attached. Him and Hafeez......thank god for the 2014 Asia Cup, otherwise their naatak would have continued. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Gollum said: Bingo, so many Pak wins in 2010s have '*' attached. Him and Hafeez......thank god for the 2014 Asia Cup, otherwise their naatak would have continued. even malik use to chuck afridi faster one which was also chucking....full variety tha chucking men Link to comment
Khota Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Time to move on. Will not happen and cannot be done. Link to comment
Gollum Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Once more cameras started being used notice how records of the Ws began to dip, alarmingly in case of Waqar. Since then no ATG quick from padosiland, best they produced is Shoaib but then even he occasionally chucked, look at the ball that dismissed Sachin for 98 in 2003 WC. Guys like Amir, Asif, Gul, Rana could never become all conditions bowlers. But had someone like Sami debuted in the 80s I am sure Imran would have made him a sub-25 avg bowler, he had pace, attacked stumps, just needed some knives and bottle caps for late deviation, and Shakoor Rana, Khizr Hayat for a few more bat before wickets. Anyone remember Aaqib Javed's Sharjah exploits? All he had to do was hit the pad or bat close to pad. Similarly look at their spinners, once ICC decided to clamp down on chucking they have stopped producing mystery offies. Their best spinner is someone who averages 100+ in southern hemisphere at an ODI E/R. But credit to Yasir, apart from the doping bit he has played the game fair, by Pakistani standards he is a saint. Saqlain sans doosra was pretty mediocre and in tests always overrated, Mushtaq Ahmed was a class bowler but a league below Kumble. Qadir had all the magic tricks but not much to show for in terms of performance, not a home bully (like many other SC greats) and away his bowling stats read like Kohli's batting average, SR. Unnecessarily hyped because 80s was a dire decade in spin department. Pakistan's current ranking doesn't surprise me. This is their aukaat, cricket has never been fairer and hence the results we see. Their superior stats (historically) are mainly because of home umpiring, chucking, tampering etc. Link to comment
Gollum Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Biggest injustice was Pak winning 1992 WC, that kind of luck has never been seen since then in any sporting contest. Without 92 Imran would have no legacy. Pak had no right to be in the last 4, Crowe's unfortunate injury and Botham's dismissal come much later. Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) This discussion keeps cropping up periodically in print and electronic media across various platforms. However, I don't think those records can be stripped. It's something like Murali. By the time he was found as a chucker, he had taken 600 wickets. It's impossible to Chuck the records of those two players at this stage. The wickets taken by Muralitharan, Imran, Narine, Ajmal, Hafeez and Akhtar will always be talked about for negative reasons. Edited May 17, 2020 by Straight Drive Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Straight Drive said: This discussion keeps cropping up periodically in print and electronic media across various platforms. However, I don't think those records can be stripped. It's something like Murali. By the time he was found as a chucker, he had taken 600 wickets. It's impossible to Chuck the records of those two players at this stage. The wickets taken by Muralitharan, Imran, Narine, Ajmal, Hafeez and Akhtar will always be talked about for negative reasons. not only that their ' level of performance' & hence their 'level of greatness' also should only be evaluated based on these factors. Link to comment
nevada Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Straight Drive said: This discussion keeps cropping up periodically in print and electronic media across various platforms. However, I don't think those records can be stripped. It's something like Murali. By the time he was found as a chucker, he had taken 600 wickets. It's impossible to Chuck the records of those two players at this stage. The wickets taken by Muralitharan, Imran, Narine, Ajmal, Hafeez and Akhtar will always be talked about for negative reasons. Muralitharan has a natural deformity in his arm which worked to his advantage. It's not his fault but still, it was unfair to batsmen. Akhtar was worse - another beneficiary of a natural deformity, and at his pace a threat to batsmen's safety. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 it seems that PM kaptaan saheb's 'expertise' is getting more & more revealed by the day and even to those who do not know a thing about the game. Here is one instance @8.32 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KvKODoKLlY Link to comment
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