All Rounders Do Not Exist Part - II

[Ravi_Shastri]

2 minutes ago, Khota said:

I was never gone. I was in @Ankit_sharma03 head all the time. He missed me the most.

Is it true @Ankit_sharma03 

[maniac]

@Khota back with a bang

[Khota]

This place is my home. I have no other social life.

[Khota]

Just now, maniac said:

@Khota back with a bang

Or a thud. Time will tell.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Ravi_Shastri said:

Is it true @Ankit_sharma03 

bilkul 

[Khota]

bump

[Khota]

Two threads and 19 pages each to convince me about allrounders. Proper pace bowler in place of Pandya and Thakur and you can see the results.

[Frustrated]

Pandya and Thakur not playing.  But it is another Allrounder 'Jaddu' who has been playing crucial role in our wins.  He contributed with bat and ball against NZ and then followed it with similar performance against SL.  

[Khota]

Proper 5 strike bowlers and results are there to see.

[IndiaWC8311]

Only real allrounders matter like Sir Ravindra Jadeja

[nevada]

2 hours ago, Frustrated said:

Pandya and Thakur not playing.  But it is another Allrounder 'Jaddu' who has been playing crucial role in our wins.  He contributed with bat and ball against NZ and then followed it with similar performance against SL.  

Jaddu is a bowler who can bat a bit. He is not good enough to play as a pure batsman. 

[MediumPacer]

Maybe you should start wicket keepers dont exist.

[bowl_out]

11 hours ago, nevada said:

Jaddu is a bowler who can bat a bit. He is not good enough to play as a pure batsman. 

 

Yes, but by Khota's logic, we should play 5 proper bowlers. Would we see the same results if Jadeja was replaced by a bowler who cannot bat - like Chahal or Bishnoi

[Khota]

On 11/3/2023 at 8:53 AM, bowl_out said:

 

Yes, but by Khota's logic, we should play 5 proper bowlers. Would we see the same results if Jadeja was replaced by a bowler who cannot bat - like Chahal or Bishnoi

The team is dominating because two useless allrounders are out. Pandya and Shardul are out, and team is benefitting. Shami and the Surya are proper players, not jack of all trades.

[cricspirit]

All rounders exist and we have seen them play  - Jayasurya, Kallis, Stokes, Flintoff, Shakib, Cairns, Kapil etc have played and done well. Could be selected by their teams on either ability. 

 

Bat a bit. .   Bowl a bit.. lol

 

If you are not stokes with the bat and do not get into the team as a batsman that does not mean you bat a bit and don't qualify as an all rounder. .  

 

Weird to think that All rounders who are more batters than bowlers or the other way around are not all rounders at all. You don't call them bat a bit or bowl a bit when they have scored 2000-3000 ODI runs at 30 average or Taken 100-200 wickets at 1 or more wickets per match. 

 

When a player adds value at no.6 to no.8 as a bowler or batter he is an allrounder. Having the ability to score 50-100 runs or take 4-5 wickets qualifies you as an all rounder even if you do not get in to the team as a proper bat or bowl. Also important if the team expects you to bowl and bat on a regular basis. Some people have the ability but not called up on to bowl or bat as often. they do not play the allrounder role in the team even with having some ability. May be then you can say bat a bit or bowl a bit.

 

 

Edited November 5, 2023 by cricspirit

[Sooda]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

The team is dominating because two useless allrounders are out. Pandya and Shardul are out, and team is benefitting. Shami and the Surya are proper players, not jack of all trades.

 

There is always a risk - say vs Australia at Mumbai- that Kuldeep for e.g. is taken apart... and that is where we will miss Hardik as a 6th bowler (and btw Hardik is at least on par if not better than SKY as an ODI bat) Let's hope that never happens.

Edited November 5, 2023 by Sooda

[Serpico]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

The team is dominating because two useless allrounders are out. Pandya and Shardul are out, and team is benefitting. Shami and the Surya are proper players, not jack of all trades.

Team was dominating when they were in the team too

[Khota]

2 hours ago, Serpico said:

Team was dominating when they were in the team too

Sub 100 outs?

[IndiaWC8311]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

Sub 100 outs?

Only one real all rounder SIR RAVINDRA JADEJA

rest are all fake all rounders

[Frustrated]

5 hours ago, Khota said:

The team is dominating because two useless allrounders are out. Pandya and Shardul are out, and team is benefitting. Shami and the Surya are proper players, not jack of all trades.

Despite being a specialist batter, SKY averages only 26 in ODIs after having played 32 matches.  Whereas Pandya, the AR, averages 34 with much better SR.   How is SKY a better batsman than Pandya ?