urbestfriend Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, Khota said: Government should provide them with some support till they transition to modern economy. They cannot be left to the wolves. So what should they do? Buy all the farming products? What is that "some support"? beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Khota said: It is so surprising not one person in this forum condems the attack on free press. Disgusting. Do you know how many attacks were there on free press under UPA, probably you were in school and didn’t heed? It is for curtailing fake news and rumors in riot hit areas. You want more people to die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 17 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Government has announced MSP for 22 crops and said it will continue. You want MSP for all crops? No just few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Do you know how many attacks were there on free press under UPA, probably you were in school and didn’t heed? It is for curtailing fake news and rumors in riot hit areas. You want more people to die? We are talking about current situation. Mandeep is languishing in jail. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, urbestfriend said: So what should they do? Buy all the farming products? What is that "some support"? Not all. But the basic identified crops where they can earn living wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Khota said: No just few. More than 22? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Khota said: We are talking about current situation. Mandeep is languishing in jail. 14 day in judicial custody is hardly languishing, he broke the law, jumped barricades and misbehaved with police. Freelance, read Press for hire. randomGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbestfriend Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, Khota said: Not all. But the basic identified crops where they can earn living wages. Yes, there are 22 basic identified crops. So all farmers must grow only these 22 crops so that they get "minimum wages" ? What about other farmers who are 94%? beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechEng Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) @Khota @Under_Score Mudiji has hypnotised all. He is riding on nationalistic sentiments while all government sectors are slowly getting privatized, making India's existence irrelevant if the public sector weakens. Almost all of his supporters are Hindus with a persecution complex and homesick NRIs. I used to be a Mudi supporter but now his nonsense is apparent. Edited February 2, 2021 by MechEng Khota, randomGuy, coffee_rules and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 20 minutes ago, Under_Score said: This is what the Haryana Kissans are also saying, they all voted for Modi, now they all are totally against his pro-corporate policies. The big setback for the ruling party in the future elections is going to be UP...90 seats. More people are supporting/joining the 'Kisan Andolan' after seeing the injustice being done to farmers who are protesting peacefully. The Rakesh Tikait genuine outcry few days ago has tripled the support for the farmers. It's a uphill talk for the poor...hopefully all ends well for them in the future. Just farming won't take the country anywhere. It's the corporates that would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 . Where were the these protesting farmers all these years ? They could have very well planned this same protest all these years where nothing was done for them by the government . Let’s not even go into BJP Congress debate . They have complained all these years about not making money but never acted on it . They could have proposed what they require but didn’t . 2. For once the current government put forth these bills and passed in legal manner . Which we know and won’t state - it has been said many time and gov even willing to make amendments about MSP (minimum price ) not maximum . It will not go away . Mandi won’t go away . - they have given freedom to farmer which they didn’t have to sell outside mandi (which is a specific one according to where farm is located ) . Now if they wish they can sell outside state even if they get better price . So if you are happy with windows 98 and want to keep using it . Go thru local mandi . If you want progress you now have choice which you didn’t have . Since you were not allowed to sale outside mandi let alone state . - MSP is the minimum price and we have seen how BJP has always moved price higher than any other government . This is not progress for farmer or country this is to make sure farmers get minimum profit . If they are happy with it then tell me why were they been complaining about profit for years ? - Farmers think this is done to benefit Asia richest man ( let that sink in lol ) . If you believe in conspiracy then nothing can be done for you . Pretty sure chips are being implanted with covid vaccine as well lol . All in all it has been stated many times you can go on doing the lazy farming you got use to if you wish so . And this is just a start as stated by government . They want to provide equipment etc .. in coming future. why do they absolutely want laws repealed heck they are not even asking anything to change the agriculture system of the country . Even when all amendments/ written are being put forward . Just status quo and then what keep complaining the poor farmers or should we just dish out money . It would prolly also need to go to the right hand which is leading this protest . Any educated person can see this . Bringing this to the rest of the world is just mockery of this great nation . Social media is full of poor farmers so what do these poor farmers really want ? Well continue on how it has been since British era . Baffles me how people joining this circus cannot see or accept the truth . We have seen progress in every sector with current gov : infra , road , corruption but yet for the farmers Modi is doing it for the Ambani and adani of the world . I won’t even go into red Fort no matter or whom the culprit is . If Modi is your answer I guess he also has ppl in new York Khalistan rally and Gandhi statue vandalized . wake up ! If you don’t want progress let the ones who are willing to move forward have the choice !!!! You can stay and keep growing the same crop that’s just rotting with the gov . While the middleman is filling pockets including state government !!! "Farmers are out on the streets putting their lives at stake. Lakhs of farmers have lost their lives and the Centre is not talking about it, not doing justice. If farmers can sit for days in the open and protest in this bitter cold, can the Prime Minister not go there and meet them. Can his ministers not visit the farmers, talk to them and make a decision?" Badal said on Monday. - What is Modi supposed to do? make a decision while farmers don’t want to negotiate all they want is law repealed . Is that called negotiating ? You just wasted your time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 If people hate modi so much ,why are you opposing? Let him impose his policies.If he concedes to the so called farmers ,you stand to lose again in 2024... What to do what to do... beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbestfriend Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Under_Score said: Both are important, balance has to be there. The ruling party has made so many false promises to gain votes from the public in the past, why would the farmers trust this corrupt govt? It's the dictatorship style of attitude that is going on at present & it will ultimately result in it's downfall. Why do you think balance is not there? Was MSP's stopped? Fertilizer subsidies taken away? Free electricity stopped?Now 6k is now being transferred directly to the farmers which was not there earlier. What false promises are you talking about? These laws were there even in Congress manifestos. https://www.indiatoday.in/news-analysis/story/a-tale-of-u-turns-on-the-three-farm-laws-1750146-2020-12-16 Modi even in 2011 asked for Agri reforms, why did people elect him if there is so much opposition? https://indianexpress.com/article/news-archive/web/cm-working-group-suggests-agri-market-reform-to-control-price-rise/ 9zaesm and beetle 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Sadhguru (before 26th Jan) https://youtu.be/Fa8prkRxzJc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) On 30/01/2021 at 8:16 AM, Khota said: Breaking the law is hardly anything? Attacking innocent people is hardly anything? Rioting with swords, trying to run over cops with tractor ,taking over Redfort and hoisting illegal flags there, blocking roads and causing extreme inconvenience to citizens.....all illegal ,criminal acts. What do expect the govt to do .....phool maala pehnaye. High time the govt uses a heavy hand on the goons . Edited February 2, 2021 by beetle coffee_rules, urbestfriend, 9zaesm and 5 others 1 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 7 hours ago, coffee_rules said: 14 day in judicial custody is hardly languishing, he broke the law, jumped barricades and misbehaved with police. Freelance, read Press for hire. Other 500 who broke the barriers, threw the stones at protesters are being heraled as heroes. Like I said you cannot even hide it. All this man did was show that police was not upholding the constitution and discharging its duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, beetle said: Rioting with swords, trying to run over cops with tractor ,taking over Redfort and hoisting illegal flags there, blocking roads and csusing extreme inconvenience to citizens.....all illegal ,criminal acts. What do expect the govt to do .....phool maala pehnaye. High time the govt uses a heavy hand on the goons . And how about the BJP and RSS supporters who broke the barriers and threw stones at the protesters. How come they are not arrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 7 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Do you know how many attacks were there on free press under UPA, probably you were in school and didn’t heed? It is for curtailing fake news and rumors in riot hit areas. You want more people to die? The guys who rae exposing the govt. are fake news? You guys are step ahead of Goebbels. Maybe several steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 6 hours ago, Under_Score said: This is what the Haryana Kissans are also saying, they all voted for Modi, now they all are totally against his pro-corporate policies. The big setback for the ruling party in the future elections is going to be UP...90 seats. More people are supporting/joining the 'Kisan Andolan' after seeing the injustice being done to farmers who are protesting peacefully. The Rakesh Tikait genuine outcry few days ago has tripled the support for the farmers. It's a uphill talk for the poor...hopefully all ends well for them in the future. Modi can think thru next 5 moves in chess. There he has Muslim guy as an enemy. His formula is very simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Khota said: And how about the BJP and RSS supporters who broke the barriers and threw stones at the protesters. How come they are not arrested. People are going to start protesting against the protestors. I don't know if these people belong to bjp or rss....but the farmers have played into the hands of the political parties ,thanks to their politically ambititious leaders. Now it is all politics. When farm leaders do politics, don't complain about political parties joining the dirty party. If farm protestors can hurt ad inconvenience people ,they should not cry about others doing the same to them. Straight Drive and 9zaesm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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