'Delhi Chalo' movement/farmers protest

[coffee_rules]

 

A comprehensive report by ORD on the chronology of agro reforms since 2000. Read about how APMCs are corrupt

 

8.2: APMCS LEVY MULTIPLE FEES, OF SUBSTANTIAL MAGNITUDE, THAT ARE NONTRANSPARENT, AND HENCE A SOURCE OF POLITICAL POWER.

 

 

• Tables 8.1-8.3 convey a sense of the magnitudes and multiplicity of fees arising from the operation of the APMCs. They charge a market fee of buyers, and they charge a licensing fee from the commissioning agents who mediate between buyers and farmers. They also charge small licensing fees from a whole range of functionaries (warehousing agents, loading agents etc.). In addition, commissioning agents charge commission fees on transactions between buyers and farmers.
• The levies and other market charges imposed by states vary widely. Statutory levies/mandi tax, VAT etc. are a major source of market distortion. Such high level of taxes at the first level of trading have significant cascading effects on the prices as the commodity passes through the supply chain.
• For rice, listed in Table 8.1, these charges can be as high as 14.5 percent in Andhra Pradesh (excluding the state VAT) and close to 10 percent in Odisha and Punjab. For wheat, too, these charges can be quite high (Table 8.2).
• Even the model APMC Act (described below) treats the APMC as an arm of the State, and, the market fee, as the tax levied by the State, rather than fee charged for providing services. This is a crucial provision which acts as a major impediment to creating national common market in agricultural commodities. Removal of this provision will pave a way for creating competition and a national common market for agricultural commodities.

[someone]

20 hours ago, Khota said:

Obviously if they felt it benefitted them they would not protest.

 

Are they even protesting? Or "partying" by occupying all the public spaces and roads?

 

And who  "they" are is a debate. Not all are farmers, and neither do all farmers of the country support them.  Many farmers support the bill, and it itself was not a new demand. The new laws are what many political parties, farmers have demanded in the past.

[coffee_rules]

Didn't know Shekar Coupta, Suman Raman were also Bhakts. Some gyaan from non-Bhakts

 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

Who is paying for all this...

 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2020 by coffee_rules

[someone]

 

[mishra]

Farmers have gone back or will go back soon. Deal is done. Now only Commies, Shaheenbagh guys, libdus. Tukde tukde gaangs are left. Government will use dandaa soon.

Edited December 14, 2020 by mishra

[dial_100]

3 hours ago, someone said:

 

So $ucking true.

[wanted_desi]

3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Who is paying for all this...

 

 

 

 

Whole community is united in it, they are getting lots of donations. 

[Khota]

11 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

It was added in all party manifestos because of widespread popularity of reforms, as in every election they offer sops to farmers. It was not as if farmers were not consulted. Just because these reforms will one day stop the handouts from APMC, the rich fat zamindars are pushing farmers on the road to block highways. The same parties which supported such reforms where RaGa told that they will build airports everywhere and allow farmers come to airports and sell their maal. They are now supporting farmers just because BJP relented on amendments, they now want all reforms to be repealed. BJzp has won recents polls, zP on the popularity of reforms. There are many farmer unions coming in support of the reforms

 

 

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/farmers-in-support-of-new-laws-meet-agri-minister-threaten-to-protest-if-repealed/article33315542.ece

 

 

Bottom line is farming is tough in India and  super majority of farmers live hand to mouth. 

Moreover farming is not the only thing that needs reform pretty much everything else needs reform before farming does.

Let us start with with Air India and any PSU. They need refoems before farmers. Atleast India does not have to go abroad for food but still have to do for everything that PSU does.

Some rich farmers maybe doing well but most od these farmers barely make 1o K a month and that is not enough to live on.

 

And for BJP to make this a communal issue is also very shameful.

They have learned well from British about divide and conquer.

[Khota]

9 hours ago, someone said:

 

Are they even protesting? Or "partying" by occupying all the public spaces and roads?

 

And who  "they" are is a debate. Not all are farmers, and neither do all farmers of the country support them.  Many farmers support the bill, and it itself was not a new demand. The new laws are what many political parties, farmers have demanded in the past.

 

Vested intersts are showing few inflammatory pictures. End of the day they are still sleeping on roads and living in elements.

[Khota]

11 hours ago, Clarke said:

"should have talked to stakeholders before passing law"

 

This is fantastic. Govt should come and ask for my approval before passing laws. I just think it sounds a bit different from the literal meaning of the word "Republic", no pun intended. But yeah, "repeal all three laws" is as fair as "kagaz nahi dikhaenge".

No they should not ask everyone but at the same time they should not pass laws that dispropotinately benefit the rich.

[someone]

2 hours ago, Khota said:

And for BJP to make this a communal issue is also very shameful.

They have learned well from British about divide and conquer.

 

It's gurudwara who have turned full political and spreading misinformation. Using their sermons about farm bills, and the political leaders. It's so disappointing and shameful.

 

You yourself are only supporting them for "who" they are, not based on merits.

[Khota]

7 minutes ago, someone said:

 

It's gurudwara who have turned full political and spreading misinformation. Using their sermons about farm bills, and the political leaders. It's so disappointing and shameful.

 

You yourself are only supporting them for "who" they are, not based on merits.

Maybe you are.

Let us discuss merit here. Why was Adnani group so heavily invested in farming etc. even before the bill was passed??

 

There are so many inefficienies in the government but they singled out the most vulnerable segment of the society i.e. farmers. 

If they are honest why don't they fix Air India /PSU's etc. which are guzzling money like there is no tomorrow.

 

Just remeber farming is not based on free market anywhere in the world.

[coffee_rules]

9 hours ago, wanted_desi said:

 

Whole community is united in it, they are getting lots of donations. 

Zamindars, middlemen and opposition politicians like congress, AAP are funding it

[coffee_rules]

4 hours ago, Khota said:

 

Bottom line is farming is tough in India and  super majority of farmers live hand to mouth. 

Moreover farming is not the only thing that needs reform pretty much everything else needs reform before farming does.

Let us start with with Air India and any PSU. They need refoems before farmers. Atleast India does not have to go abroad for food but still have to do for everything that PSU does.

Some rich farmers maybe doing well but most od these farmers barely make 1o K a month and that is not enough to live on.

 

And for BJP to make this a communal issue is also very shameful.

They have learned well from British about divide and conquer.

Don’t shift goal-posts and do whataboutry of PSUs. These reforms help the poor farmer and open the market. Give it a shot before throwing blind allegations. Contract farming is already in practice and Amrinder wanted corporates like Reliance to come in . Now, he is opposing for the sake of it.

[someone]

2 hours ago, Khota said:

Maybe you are.

Let us discuss merit here. Why was Adnani group so heavily invested in farming etc. even before the bill was passed??

 

There are so many inefficienies in the government but they singled out the most vulnerable segment of the society i.e. farmers. 

If they are honest why don't they fix Air India /PSU's etc. which are guzzling money like there is no tomorrow.

 

Just remeber farming is not based on free market anywhere in the world.

Firstly, will you condemn such Gurudhawa for using their place for politics and communalize the issue?

 

Secondly, you want the government to nothing about the most vulnerable segment of soceity? Denying a problem existence doesn't solve the problem. The farmers and farming system have huge inefficiencies and deep-rooted problems over the decades, which this bills addresses. New farm laws gives freedom to sale, and fair for all farmers.

 

Before this fiasco, few knew about the middleman and commission agents, how Mandis ruled with the iron hand, how MSP benefits 6% of farmers of whom Punjab is dominated. The longer this fiasco goes, the more the finer details, hypocrisy and discrepancies will be out.

[Khota]

5 hours ago, someone said:

Firstly, will you condemn such Gurudhawa for using their place for politics and communalize the issue?

 

Secondly, you want the government to nothing about the most vulnerable segment of soceity? Denying a problem existence doesn't solve the problem. The farmers and farming system have huge inefficiencies and deep-rooted problems over the decades, which this bills addresses. New farm laws gives freedom to sale, and fair for all farmers.

 

Before this fiasco, few knew about the middleman and commission agents, how Mandis ruled with the iron hand, how MSP benefits 6% of farmers of whom Punjab is dominated. The longer this fiasco goes, the more the finer details, hypocrisy and discrepancies will be out.

Any religious place should not be used for political purposes in a secular netion like India. No ifs and buts about it.

Religion could be used to help downtrodden and poor people for their upliftment.

 

There are problems that need to be addressed and if that makes a system beneficial for all then so be it. But there are inefficiencies in every walk of life in India and why are only few targetted??

 

Obviously the farmers if were truly benefitting from this would not have protested.

 

Commission agents are all bad and I understand that but there is corruption all over India and that needs to be addressed. Why farming only.

 

An IAS officier who only works fraction of what these poor farmers works makes 1000X more than him. Is that inequitiy acceptable?

 

For strong India everyone needs to be lifted up, not select few.

 

I am a big fan of Modi and I think he has his heart in right place but his policies are not working.

 

 

[Khota]

6 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Don’t shift goal-posts and do whataboutry of PSUs. These reforms help the poor farmer and open the market. Give it a shot before throwing blind allegations. Contract farming is already in practice and Amrinder wanted corporates like Reliance to come in . Now, he is opposing for the sake of it.

 

There is no goal post shifting.

 

A poor farmer works 16 hrs a day and still cannot send his kids to school.

 

A public sector officer barely works 2 hours a day and has salary and retirement in lakhs.

 

All this is about inequity in the system where elite few are benefitting.

 

Try being poor and then you will understand. I come from a very poor background and I feel their pain.

[Khota]

6 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Zamindars, middlemen and opposition politicians like congress, AAP are funding it

This is grass roots, not an elite movement.

 

It is the farm bill that has blessings of rich organizations like Ambanis etc.

[randomGuy]

7 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Zamindars, middlemen and opposition politicians like congress, AAP are funding it

With 2000-3000 tractors , 8-10 km long scene on a national highway can be created like the one on singhu border.

 

Zero consideration of local economy, discomfort to public, movement on highway, hygiene, corona etc.