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The answer to some of India's farm bills and systems actually lies by looking at China. 

Credit where credit is due, but i do believe some of our answers lie by analyzing China and how they did what they did and how it is working re: farm sector.

 

They are the ONLY COMPARABLE FARMING SECTOR BY EMPLOYMENT to India. Yet, they all have small holdings relatively speaking ( only slightly larger than India's but not orders of magnitude larger like in the west), also sell to the government and private players and are largely, for all intents and purposes- content doing it. 

 

There definitely has to be some lessons in there because we all know that chinese are cut-throat businessmen but somehow if 200 million+ chinese have found it suitable enough to stick around the farming sector - pretty much only slightly smaller than india's farming workforce ( roughly 300 million Indians work on farms IIRC) in that plus a 'do as i say or die' type government to oppress them - it means they are doing SOMETHING right and worth studying. 

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1 hour ago, Khota said:

 

They are disproportionately getting rich.

 

A farmer lives in a gobar hut after working 10 hours a day.

 

Ambani lives in $1 Billion house (billion with 9 zeroes) after working the same number of hours.

 

Where is the fairness in the system?

Oh man...Same thing can be applied to everyone. Under_score lives in a posh villa in Canada where as his farm workers in punjab hail from poor UP states, and living in jopadis..Where is the fairness in the system? Thats how the capitalistic society works. But a socialistic society is not the answer as seen in India where people are migrating heavily to capitalist countries for better living like under_score. 

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15 minutes ago, urbestfriend said:

Oh man...Same thing can be applied to everyone. Under_score lives in a posh villa in Canada where as his farm workers in punjab hail from poor UP states, and living in jopadis..Where is the fairness in the system? Thats how the capitalistic society works. But a socialistic society is not the answer as seen in India where people are migrating heavily to capitalist countries for better living like under_score. 

Well, you have to understand why the poor landlords from UP/Bihar are coming to work in Punjab, they get better pay than their farm income in UP....it is very sad.

Regarding me living in a posh villa, I have worked for $10/hr jobs before I climbed my way up in this beautiful country Canada, so many buddies of mine from B'lore are happy & settled in the Bay Area. There is a reason why they also don't want to go back to a corrupt Democracy. It's about time even poor people in India get the opportunity to have a decent life.....and more importantly....Freedom.

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7 hours ago, Yoda-esque said:
11 hours ago, Muloghonto said:
Dont play with words. The Modi bill is proving RIGHT NOW that under certain scenarios direct purchasing from the farmers will yeild farmers MORE, not LESS than APMC acquisition rate. So why are you ignoring this ???

It's just basic principles of free market economy..no science involved here..what are these fools arguing against

Farming is not free market anywhere. Go check.

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Just now, Khota said:

Farming is not free market anywhere. Go check.

Again, play of words. The context is free market selling of farm produce. Most farmers around the world are free to sell to who ever they wish. They get subsidies, just like Indian farmers do.
I asked you a simp,e question: why are you running away from the fact that thanks to this bill, farmers in cotton sector are making MORE than they would under APMC rates ?? 

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4 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Again, play of words. The context is free market selling of farm produce. Most farmers around the world are free to sell to who ever they wish. They get subsidies, just like Indian farmers do.
I asked you a simp,e question: why are you running away from the fact that thanks to this bill, farmers in cotton sector are making MORE than they would under APMC rates ?? 

5% more. And that is the only example you could come up with. There is a worldwide demand of cotton and that resulted in maybe couple hundred of rupees. It is not like a huge success story. It is barely a fraction of the total agrarian economy.

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Just now, Khota said:

5% more. And that is the only example you could come up with. There is a worldwide demand of cotton and that resulted in maybe couple hundred of rupees. It is not like a huge success story. It is barely a fraction of the total agrarian economy.

5% more is still more. So why deny that farmers ALSO stand to benefit from the ability to sell to anyone they wish ?? Why would you want them to sell to a fixed price always, when fixed price can sometimes be lower, when the farmers are being the option to CHOOSE between fixed price and a better market price, when the market is better ?? You are objectively standing for a system that gives farmers less money and call yourself pro farmers. Brilliant logic. 

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9 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

5% more is still more. So why deny that farmers ALSO stand to benefit from the ability to sell to anyone they wish ?? Why would you want them to sell to a fixed price always, when fixed price can sometimes be lower, when the farmers are being the option to CHOOSE between fixed price and a better market price, when the market is better ?? You are objectively standing for a system that gives farmers less money and call yourself pro farmers. Brilliant logic. 

Because the fixed price is a gauranteed price. They get less than that by the way. The reason they want this gaurantee is so that they are assured of MSP/a support price/a safety net. 

 

Let me give you an example. Suppose you work for AI and if they make profit you get 70,000 rs pm and next month they have loss and you get 20,000 pm. How will you plan for anything. Bottomline is farming has to be supported.

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1 minute ago, Khota said:

Because the fixed price is a gauranteed price. They get less than that by the way. The reason they want this gaurantee is so that they are assured of MSP/a support price/a safety net. 
 

yes. They have that. This bill doesn’t repeal APMC. 

1 minute ago, Khota said:

 

Let me give you an example. Suppose you work for AI and if they make profit you get 70,000 rs pm and next month they have loss and you get 20,000 pm. How will you plan for anything. Bottomline is farming has to be supported.

 

WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS GOVERNMENT IS DOING !! 
the farmers are being given the option to sell to whomever they want AND keep the APMC. So basically you want the farmers to only have fixed price and forego the option to make more money when the market rate is better than fixed price. That’s pretty anti-farmer. 

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18 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

yes. They have that. This bill doesn’t repeal APMC. 

 

WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS GOVERNMENT IS DOING !! 
the farmers are being given the option to sell to whomever they want AND keep the APMC. So basically you want the farmers to only have fixed price and forego the option to make more money when the market rate is better than fixed price. That’s pretty anti-farmer. 

They are not gauranteeing that MSP.

 

And then they put four members in the committee who are pro BJP.

 

Then you say farmers don't trust them.

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10 hours ago, Khota said:

 

They are disproportionately getting rich.

 

A farmer lives in a gobar hut after working 10 hours a day.

 

Ambani lives in $1 Billion house (billion with 9 zeroes) after working the same number of hours.

 

Where is the fairness in the system?

So that's the issue. Then, it's never about farm bills or anything about farmers. You are just a "woke". A delusional guy

 

And, you should walk the talk, and give away your personal assets and resources now.

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1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

Middle class is among those paying IT making only 2% of India’s population. Tomorrow if the government doesn’t lower the IT slabs for low income families, they can also get to the streets. Will SC ask government to mediate? 

Tax paying populace has max of 30% bracket above 15 lakhs + 4% educational cess. Now govt is planning covid cess. How much more you squeeze the tax paying middle class to subsidise everyone else. Considering state doesn't provide educational and health care + pension this is one of the highest compared to other countries. Alas, If middle class also have some union to block roads and burn buses, they'd not be squeezed by every successive governments. 

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3 hours ago, Nonbeliever said:

Bhupinder singh mann, one of the committe member, opt out of the committee.  Now bhakts will also call him khalistani.

I just googled to find out more about this person, I came across this Breaking News by Godi Media :cantstop: . It is a bit confusing , why is he 'supposedly' receiving threats from Canada after recusing from the SC-appointed panel :hmmm:

 

https://zeenews.india.com/india/breaking-bhupinder-singh-mann-receiving-threats-from-canada-after-recusing-himself-from-supreme-court-appointed-panel-2335823.html

 

New Delhi: Bhupinder Singh Mann, one of four experts nominated by the Supreme Court for negotiations with farmers protesting against the farm laws, is learned to be receiving threats from Canada after recusing himself from SC-appointed panel.

 

Learned from whom? :phehe:

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Under_Score said:

I just googled to find out more about this person, I came across this Breaking News by Godi Media :cantstop: . It is a bit confusing , why is he 'supposedly' receiving threats from Canada after recusing from the SC-appointed panel :hmmm:

 

https://zeenews.india.com/india/breaking-bhupinder-singh-mann-receiving-threats-from-canada-after-recusing-himself-from-supreme-court-appointed-panel-2335823.html

 

New Delhi: Bhupinder Singh Mann, one of four experts nominated by the Supreme Court for negotiations with farmers protesting against the farm laws, is learned to be receiving threats from Canada after recusing himself from SC-appointed panel.

 

Learned from whom? :phehe:

 

 

 

 

Are you the one who is giving threat to this man? 

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