UK NHS likely to roll out CoViD 19 vaccine as early as Dec 7.

[BacktoCricaddict]

49 minutes ago, velu said:

 

 

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coivd tablets  

 

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/03/09/experimental-covid-19-pill-shows-promise-in-preliminary-testing.html

If it works and is safe (yet to be proven), it is another tool in the toolbox.  

 

 

 

[zen]

At the moment, mRNA based ones such as Pfizer and Moderna are said to be relatively more effective esp. in fighting more variants 

 

[Jimmy Cliff]

 

 

 

[mishra]

1 hour ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

 

 

 

All BS. This is repercussions of row over supply of vaccine. EU is coming after astra zaneca.  The so called Internationalist are not giving one vaccine to poorer countries and are busy villifying a British vaccine because it defied not supplying UK made ones to Brussels. They can do whatever they want but attacking a British brand will hopefully have reprecursions in long run.

we give a damn about what EU wants to portray 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/27/eu-covid-vaccine-row-astrazeneca-european-commission

Edited March 15, 2021 by mishra

[mishra]

^ As far as efficacy is concerned, most people in UK are nowadays getting AstraZeneca apart from those who were given pfizer as pfizer came in UK first and just few million doses of pfizer were ordered. Allmost everyone I know has got AstraZaneca. UK is coming out of lockdown on 21st June on back of AstraZaneca. Corona virus infection and deaths have dramatically fallen in UK. Infact recovery is better then allmost whole world including US. Our active case count has gone to pre nov level and we have most numbers of test to population ratio. Allmost half household has got or can get home testing kit free.

Edited March 15, 2021 by mishra

[BacktoCricaddict]

All politics aside, is this true?

 

(# of vaccinated people with blood clots)               (# of unvaccinated people with blood clots)

____________________________________________     >     _________________________________________________    ???

(total # of vaccinated people)                                 (total # of unvaccinated people)

 

Simple math.  Even a biochemist like me can do it.  In the end, this is not about UK or US or EU or India.  Who cares where the vaccine is from, who made it, national pride, international politics etc etc.?  The only question is "What do the data say?"  That's all that matters. 

 

Last week, we justifiably expressed extreme pride that Covaxin, India's first successful indigenous vaccine, had cleared approval, signaling new frontiers for Indian biotech.  But being an Indian vaccine should not give it a free pass.  If, tomorrow, there is significant safety concern (see above equation), then we must objectively call for it to be halted.  National pride does not matter above people's lives at that point.  

Edited March 16, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict

[Jimmy Cliff]

 

 

 

[Jimmy Cliff]

 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

23 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

 

 

 

https://www.dinafem.org/en/blog/what-cannabis-bhang-and-how-make-it-home/

 

Jai Bholenath!

[mishra]

On 3/15/2021 at 11:56 PM, BacktoCricaddict said:

All politics aside, is this true?

 

(# of vaccinated people with blood clots)               (# of unvaccinated people with blood clots)

____________________________________________     >     _________________________________________________    ???

(total # of vaccinated people)                                 (total # of unvaccinated people)

 

Simple math.  Even a biochemist like me can do it.  In the end, this is not about UK or US or EU or India.  Who cares where the vaccine is from, who made it, national pride, international politics etc etc.?  The only question is "What do the data say?"  That's all that matters. 

 

Last week, we justifiably expressed extreme pride that Covaxin, India's first successful indigenous vaccine, had cleared approval, signaling new frontiers for Indian biotech.  But being an Indian vaccine should not give it a free pass.  If, tomorrow, there is significant safety concern (see above equation), then we must objectively call for it to be halted.  National pride does not matter above people's lives at that point.  

See , there are two parts.  Everyone would like to drive Ferrari, but can they afford it. Before someone jumps that yes, pfizer is affordable Because its just say $50 per dose , they need to check how many -80 degree storage facilities we have in India.

 

Now, someone got a vaccine and then he had cardiac arrest at center. Should competitor/opposition not use that as evidence and say, after vaccine there was a cardiac . Please note, they wont claim that there is a link, but will do enough to cast doubt. If somehow they can get cctv footage, that would be enough to declare vaccine causes cardiac arrest. If government is on their side, well and good (Like EU astrazenca case), if not, there is still possibility of spreading rumor via twitter and news media.

So don’t try to talk common sense

Edited March 17, 2021 by mishra

[Jimmy Cliff]

 

 

“There’s nothing more permanent than a temporary government program.” - Milton Friedman.

 

[Clarke]

Regular vaccine doses & long term masks & distancing 

 

Thank you China 

[BacktoCricaddict]

3 hours ago, Clarke said:

Regular vaccine doses & long term masks & distancing 

 

Thank you China 

Not if results like this become the norm:  

 

 

[Clarke]

14 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Not if results like this become the norm:  

 

 

 

 

That's a very short term result, we don't know how it will pan out long term in terms of vaccine effectiveness in general as well as with respect to virus mutations.

[BacktoCricaddict]

56 minutes ago, Clarke said:

 

 

That's a very short term result, we don't know how it will pan out long term in terms of vaccine effectiveness in general as well as with respect to virus mutations.

Fair point.  But it is also too early for anyone to say that we are going to be restricted for a long time.  Often, public health officials say stuff like that because they are scared that - if they made "vaccine is working well, light at end of tunnel" comments - dolts will remove their masks right this minute and party like there is no tomorrow.  Also, often conspiracy journos take "recommendations" and extrapolate to "mandates."  

 

Moderna's (https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/25/moderna-vaccine-less-effective-variant/) experimental results are looking great for the UK variant and good for the SA variant.  Other vaccine manufacturers will also catch up. 

 

Also, as the virus replicates less in highly vaccinated populations, new variants will also not appear at such a high rate.  As long as we reach 70% herd immunity, we will be okay and won't need masking.  Ultimately, the goal is not eradication, it is minimization of serious disease, coexistence with the virus, and keeping it under control.  As for annual doses, we do it with the flu vaccine in the US (again, it's not mandatory unlike the claims of conspiracy theorists), and even with 50% compliance, we can keep this thing under control.    

 

This kind of success is unprecedented.  It is time to be optimistic.  

[Jimmy Cliff]

 

 

"Two weeks to flatten the curve." 

 

[cowboysfan]

On 3/24/2021 at 4:05 PM, Jimmy Cliff said:

 

 

“There’s nothing more permanent than a temporary government program.” - Milton Friedman.

 

WTF? this is not the way to live.

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

32 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

WTF? this is not the way to live.

 

(1) Sensationalistic click-bait headline by website editor.  Happens all the time.  I wrote an article for a news-site one time and the headline did not reflect at all what I wrote.  

(2) Deliberate, willful misinterpretation of original article by sensationalistic twitterer, who probably read the click-bait headline, rubbed his palms together and went "Aha ... time to get 5 million retweets and hearts."

 

What's new?   

Edited April 1, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict

[BacktoCricaddict]

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/mrna-covid-vaccine-well-tolerated-in-adolescents

 

The latest information is reportedly based on results from a recent phase 3 trial involving 2260 adolescents aged 12–16, in which the vaccine was ‘well-tolerated’ and demonstrated ‘100% efficacy and robust antibody responses’.

[Clarke]

On 3/25/2021 at 5:25 PM, BacktoCricaddict said:

Fair point.  But it is also too early for anyone to say that we are going to be restricted for a long time.  Often, public health officials say stuff like that because they are scared that - if they made "vaccine is working well, light at end of tunnel" comments - dolts will remove their masks right this minute and party like there is no tomorrow.  Also, often conspiracy journos take "recommendations" and extrapolate to "mandates."  

 

Moderna's (https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/25/moderna-vaccine-less-effective-variant/) experimental results are looking great for the UK variant and good for the SA variant.  Other vaccine manufacturers will also catch up. 

 

Also, as the virus replicates less in highly vaccinated populations, new variants will also not appear at such a high rate.  As long as we reach 70% herd immunity, we will be okay and won't need masking.  Ultimately, the goal is not eradication, it is minimization of serious disease, coexistence with the virus, and keeping it under control.  As for annual doses, we do it with the flu vaccine in the US (again, it's not mandatory unlike the claims of conspiracy theorists), and even with 50% compliance, we can keep this thing under control.    

 

This kind of success is unprecedented.  It is time to be optimistic.  

 

You're talking from a scientific perspective which is well & good, from the commoner point of view this seems a potential struggle.

 

Herd immunity will be difficult to achieve internationally and its quite impractical to have closed borders and even stop all potential carriers with testing and they could bring the mutated strands.

 

Then there's the possibility of immunity wearing off. People will not like frequent vaccination.

 

The previous normal doesn't seem easily visible currently.