If we get our batting right we wont get a better chance to win in ENG and SA next time

[Cricketics]

I will be traveling to Saf to see this series win. We better win this whether Rahane or Kohli captain or the Great Porbandar express is picked to captain Indian side. I don't care. I want a series win in South Africa finally. The final frontier. 

[zen]

48 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

how is 31 avg good ? and where is WI thats also overseas

 

 

 

As explained on this thread - an avg of 30+ is good in the top order in SENA .... No one cares about WI (and that too when he has only played 5 tests)

 

 

Average avg excluding Pujara is 30. Pujara avg 43 

 

 

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no he didnt won it single handedly bowlers and other batsman also performed and opp didnt, Virat has had big series but other didnt contribute and opp scored . No player will single handed win u series, its a down right insult to other players

 

When someone scores 500+ runs, he gets the credit .... But I recall that you were writing against Pujara even before that series, so maybe difficult for you to accept/imagine that he was the pillar of Ind success 

 

 

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so drop him 

what a bull **** excuse, WI is a challenge in itself as it has duke balls and good bowlers . Just becoz he cant buy a run doesnt make it less of international cricket

 

 

No player is going to be dropped for doing badly in a low intensity series like in WI or BD or wharever esp. when he is doing well in key series 

 

 

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  • did he score when others scored in NZ in 2014, even dhawan had a 100 and rohit had 70 
  • there was no layoff in NZ or WI 

   

 

No one has to score in similar patterns and in every country (unless you are competing to be spoken along with Don Bradman). One player can score 200 runs per series in 3 series, another can score 100, 150 and 400. A team would have all types of batsmen, valuing esp. those who can have a Laraesque series with the bat and that too in places like Aus 

 

 

Edited December 29, 2020 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

37 minutes ago, zen said:

 

As explained on this thread - an avg of 30+ is good in the top order in SENA .... No one cares about WI (and that too when he has only played 5 tests)

 

5 is enough, just becoz he doesnt score that doesnt mean it doesnt matter , if he doesnt want to dont play. HE has one job its not that he bowls or an outstanding fiel;der

 

avg of 30 isnt good anywhere specially if ur specialist 

and why to break stats to his failure if u want so show recent stats take his last 6 test - 12 innings only 1- 50 and not to forget him going missing in 4th innings completely. When u want to play 5 bowlers every batsman has to do his job and specially if he is a pillar 

 

 

If it helps u not show his failures hide WI, but thats a Khota logic . 

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When someone scores 500+ runs, he gets the credit .... But I recall that you were writing against Pujara even before that series, so maybe difficult for you to accept/imagine that he was the pillar of Ind success 

 

yea i wrote he wont work this time

it isnt against but a prediction which he hasnt till now 

 

 

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No player is going to be dropped for doing badly in a low intensity series like in WI or BD or wharever esp. when he is doing well in key series 

 

 

A batsman job is to score doesnt matter opposition . He has done well only in one key series rest most were avg or failure ...i can buy that logic for kohli but no pujara 

 

 

 

Edited December 29, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[Prabhdeep Singh]

5 Tests vs England Away in 2021

3 Tests vs SA Away in 2021

 

Following batting line should be utilised:

 

R Sharma

S Gill

C Pujara

V Kohli

A Rahane

KL Rahul/R Jadeja (Depending on whether playing 5 or 4 bowlers)

R Pant

 

From the home series vs England 2021 the above line up should be played. If the above line up clicks, the opposition will have big problems. All batsmen above are experienced except S Gill. The opening partnership have good back foot game.

 

M Agarwal has gone a bit haywire due T20 cricket, back to the drawing board.

H Vihari with due respect is not the answer, he may replace C Pujara in the future.

P Shaw may replace R Sharma in the future.

 

[G_B_]

Re England

 

I feel toss and luck with weather does matter. The way England are set up there will be volatility in their performance. 

 

Re South Africa

 

No Philander and Abd....ripe for the taking.

[zen]

12 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

5 is enough, just becoz he doesnt score that doesnt mean it doesnt matter , if he doesnt want to dont play. HE has one job its not that he bowls or an outstanding fiel;der

 

 

If a batsmen is doing well in other key places outside Ind, WI does not matter esp. with 5 tests .... there are batsmen who fail when Pujara does well

 

 

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avg of 30 isnt good anywhere specially if ur specialist 

and why to break stats to his failure if u want so show recent stats take his last 6 test - 12 innings only 1- 50 

 

 

You may not good at numbers but it is not difficult to fathom that if the recent avg avg across players from multiple teams in 30 (look at the table posted earlier), 43 is exceptional (+43% over avg avg)

 

 

Anyone can have a bad year - and as already stated below (so no point in repeating it): 

 

"That avg of 32 in the top order can be like a 42-45 in MO. Has 7 50+ scores in 36 innings, while someone like Rahane has 8 in 37 playing in MO  (leader in MO is Kohli w/ 18 in 48)

 

 

On top of that he won us a series single handedly with the bat in Aus (first time in Ind's history)!  .... Why would we want to focus on games in WI (a low intensity series) and in NZ (where he was the 2nd highest run scorer playing in top order among mass failures), and here when he is coming off a long lay off (no IPL) but played some decent knocks such as 40 odd in Adelaide in difficult conditions and soaking up the pressure in the 1st inning at MCG"

 

 

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yea i wrote he wont work this time

it isnt against but a prediction which he hasnt till now 

 

 

As stated above, he has done reasonably well including scoring a 40 odd at Adelaide in a low scoring game and blunting the new ball at MCG in the first inning 

 

 

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A batsman job is to score doesnt matter opposition 

 

And he is scoring runs v tough teams including winning series single handedly in Aus and blunting the new ball (which again merely glancing at numbers may not be perceptible) 

Edited December 29, 2020 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, zen said:

 

If a batsmen is doing well in other key places outside Ind, WI does not matter esp. with 5 tests .... there are batsmen who fail when Pujara does 

 

 

and NZ also wo stats wo bhi chupa de

 

 

Just now, zen said:

 

I know that you are not good at numbers but if the recent avg avg across players from multiple teams in 30, 43 is good 

 

really check all his test overseas post that mamoth aussie tour 

 

Just now, zen said:

 

Anyone can have a bad year - and as already stated below (so no point in repeating it): 

 

check pujara stats overseas before that aus tour also , his 1st overseas cycle was a flop every where 

 

Just now, zen said:

 

"That avg of 32 in the top order can be like a 42-45 in MO. Has 7 50+ scores in 36 innings, while someone like Rahane has 8 in 37 playing in MO  (leader in MO is Kohli w/ 18 in 48)

 

 

 

Just now, zen said:

 

On top of that he won us a series single handedly with the bat in Aus (first time in Ind's history)!  .... Why would we want to focus on games in WI (a low intensity series) and in NZ (where he was the 2nd highest run scorer playing in top order among mass failures), and here when he is coming off a long lay off (no IPL) but played some decent knocks such as 40 odd in Adelaide in difficult conditions and soaking up the pressure in the 1st inning at MCG"

 

matalb bowlers ne to kuch kiya nahin , mayank , kohli, pant ne to run mare nahin the 

 

ru gonna repeat that NZ line again so ill repeat also- he didnt score in 2014 NZ when everyone scord including dhawan n rohit

 

Failed in WI, NZ with no Layoff....

 

 

Just now, zen said:

 

 

He has done reasinably well including scoring a 40 odd at Adelaide in a low scoring game and blunting the new ball at MCG in the first inning 

 

 

so no one is saying drop him but 1-2 innings in last 12 not good enough

 

Just now, zen said:

 

And he is scoring runs v tough teams including winning series single handedly in Aus 

 

exactly pujara played alone...batted bowled fielded coached

[zen]

You are posting the same stuff:

 

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

and NZ also wo stats wo bhi chupa de

 

 played 4 tests in NZ and when already stated: 

 

"That avg of 32 in the top order can be like a 42-45 in MO. Has 7 50+ scores in 36 innings, while someone like Rahane has 8 in 37 playing in MO  (leader in MO is Kohli w/ 18 in 48)

 

 

On top of that he won us a series single handedly with the bat in Aus (first time in Ind's history)!  .... Why would we want to focus on games in WI (a low intensity series) and in NZ (where he was the 2nd highest run scorer playing in top order among mass failures), and here when he is coming off a long lay off (no IPL) but played some decent knocks such as 40 odd in Adelaide in difficult conditions and soaking up the pressure in the 1st inning at MCG"

 

 

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

really check all his test overseas post that mamoth aussie tour 

 

 even posted numbers before the Aus tour (in the first post that you quoted) 

 

 

 

and last 12 months overseas includes WI and NZ (again discussed above) 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

matalb bowlers ne to kuch kiya nahin , mayank , kohli, pant ne to run mare nahin the 

 

ru gonna repeat that NZ line again so ill repeat also- he didnt score in 2014 NZ when everyone scord including dhawan n rohit

 

Failed in WI, NZ with no Layoff....

 

It means that Pujara was the pillar of Ind's success .... even a bowler needs fielders to take catches for wkts 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 29, 2020 by zen

[zen]

@Ankit_sharma03 

 

Talking about issues/challenges for Pujara in this series:

 

a) Relative rustiness due to a lack of competitive cricket (no IPL too as we saw how many cricketers took time to adjust to cricket in IPL in the initial stages) 

b) Cummins (and Lyon as Pujara can do something dumb when facing him) may have his # (probably knows how to get him out based on what we have seen) 

 

If Pujara keeps getting out to Cummins, he can be criticized for being his bunny. Maybe explore a change in batting position? Do you think it is a viable option to bat him in the upper MO at #4-5 (Pujara is good at batting w/ the tail  as we have seen him be the last man out or carry his bat on occasions)?

Edited December 29, 2020 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 minutes ago, zen said:

@Ankit_sharma03 

 

Talking about issues/challenges for Pujara in this series:

 

a) Relative rustiness due to a lack of competitive cricket (no IPL too as we saw how many cricketers took time to adjust to cricket in IPL in the initial stages) 

b) Cummins (and Lyon as Pujara can do something dumb when facing him) may have his # (probably knows how to get him out based on what we have seen) 

 

If Pujara keeps getting out to Cummins, he can be criticized for being his bunny. Maybe explore a change in batting position? Do you think it is a viable option to bat him in the upper MO at #4-5 (Pujara is good at batting w/ the tail  as we have seen him be the last man out or carry his bat on occasions)?

 

If his job is grind the new ball make him open, job in middle is to score runs against a softer ball which isnt his area. Anyways the problem of openers has been there. Gill who is a better stroke player and he is also loose which will also be soon found out is better for midde as he also is a betterplayerof spin. 

[Tibarn]

India needs BK and/or Pandya to be fit to win in England.