If we get our batting right we wont get a better chance to win in ENG and SA next time

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

Honestly with Jaddu, Ashwin coming good a lot of things have fallen in place.

 

Let me start with positives

 

• Ashwin as spinner is taking wkts overseas in 1st innings and then we have 2nd innings shami . We did well overseas when kumble became a force which cane be same case with ashwin.  Shami n Ashwin kind of has 2-3 yrs of top cricket left in them may be even Ishant after that a cycle wud began for someone next to reach his peak
• Pant not only provides a left hander but someone who can change the momentum 
• Jaddu another left hander who seems to have hit his peak 
• Siraj- If u can make an old kookabura talk well ur a top potential 
• Gill - but i hope like rahul n mayank white ball habbits doesnt affect his game
• With Siraj entrance fast bowling looks more potent 

 

Opportunity in Eng and SA

 

• Sa is on downwards spiral infact they are quite avg now 
• Eng has inexperienced batting unit and their new batsman looks to have big chinks their game 
• Anderson is on his last yr or so 
• Root also looks to be regressing 

 

 

Now comes to the batting 

 

• Openers not soughted
• Pujara - post that Aussie tour he is back to being avg infact below avg overseas . Failed in Nz, WI and now Aus hasnt started well 
• Kohli - definitely not in his purple patch 
• Rahane- lets see if he becomes consistent now
• Vihari- is on edge already 
• Shaw n Mayank has developed major technical issues
• Gill also isnt that tight so he also in future will have issues 

 

If we have to have any chance on those 2 tours batting has to come good

[Lone Wolf]

Next tour is in England & right before that we got WTC final (hopefully)  then Asia Cup.  Either way I hope Test team stays there & practice by playing 2-3 side games. Leave Asia cup T20 to newbies & Rohit.  Two A games helped this time.  Gill & Siraj came ready this time due to that. 

We have the team to beat England..  If we don't do blunders & prepare  well. 

Saffers are there for the taking even 3-0 is. Possible vs them. 

 

[ravishingravi]

With this captain, we should be happy with what we gave got. Great great player. But not the right man for next jump. 

[shortbread]

Problem is Virat doesn't seem like a captain who can stock to a plan. Too many chops and changes. 

[G_B_]

Get a feeling that SA will roll of flat decks to neutralise our attack...

 

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Our batting will do well ONLY when we give the batsmen enough time to adjust to the conditions. It's a young team, they need as much practice as possible, that too against quality opposition as FC matches, before the tougher away Test series. Since the days of Dhoni, these practice matches have lost their value just because the captain doesn't feel the need and prefers to do simulation practice, whatever that means. That has been the biggest bane in the last 8-10 years and major reason for our underperformance, along with picking the wrong players in the series starter. We get those two issues sorted, we wil have better chances of fighting well.

[G_B_]

Just now, ShoonyaSifar said:

Our batting will do well ONLY when we give the batsmen enough time to adjust to the conditions. It's a young team, they need as much practice as possible, that too against quality opposition as FC matches, before the tougher away Test series. Since the days of Dhoni, these practice matches have lost their value just because the captain doesn't feel the need and prefers to do simulation practice, whatever that means. That has been the biggest bane in the last 8-10 years and major reason for our underperformance, along with picking the wrong players in the series starter. We get those two issues sorted, we wil have better chances of fighting well.

 

Its not that young dude.

 

Rahane is 32, Jadeja is 32 Ashwin is 34.  Its not an old team. But not young either. Median tests played and median age of players suggests this.

[ShoonyaSifar]

21 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

 

Its not that young dude.

 

Rahane is 32, Jadeja is 32 Ashwin is 34.  Its not an old team. But not young either. Median tests played and median age of players suggests this.

Gill/Shaw/Mayank/Vihari/Pant/Siraj/Saini/Kuldeep - all these guys have put together played less than 50 tests. I was referring to them, especially the batsmen. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 hours ago, G_B_ said:

Get a feeling that SA will roll of flat decks to neutralise our attack...

 

 

 

then they are in trouble as it will help our batsman but wud be a problem for their avg bowling , remeber they only have one bowler Rabada 

Our bowling is good enough for patta their isnt and their batsman are also not good

[Gollum]

RSA I am sure we will crush them.

 

About Eng tour I am quietly confident. Time to inflict some mental scars in the upcoming home series and reap rewards a few months later. If all our 1st choice players are fit, very difficult for Eng next Aug. 

[ViruDilSeKhelo]

OP used to call Jaddu useless for all formats before (bits and pieces) despite his merit being obvious. Takla.

[Ankit_sharma03]

19 minutes ago, ViruDilSeKhelo said:

OP used to call Jaddu useless for all formats before (bits and pieces) despite his merit being obvious. Takla.

 

errrr wrong 

 

• called jadeja ATG in home test 
• ODI someone who can bowl and bat better if high up the order at 7 he is a waste
• T20 useless

 

to kya galat bola , he has came good now...why shud i call him when he wasnt. Reality is he has started showing good returns after heavy investement now

 

[ViruDilSeKhelo]

14 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

errrr wrong 

 

• called jadeja ATG in home test 
• ODI someone who can bowl and bat better if high up the order at 7 he is a waste
• T20 useless

 

to kya galat bola , he has came good now...why shud i call him when he wasnt. Reality is he has started showing good returns after heavy investement now

 

aree chup re, you said he should never play for India and called for his drop. I won't look for the quote. You are a fairweather fan who supports anyone briefly scoring runs, taking wickets or achi pielding. 

[Majestic]

We do well in SA so we should do well there. In England, I don't know what we will do. Someone needs to take care of that chotu party spoiler. The guy bats with tail and spoils our party, comes in and bowl inswingers at 125 Kph and  our batsmen gets out to him. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

36 minutes ago, ViruDilSeKhelo said:

 

aree chup re, you said he should never play for India and called for his drop. I won't look for the quote. You are a fairweather fan who supports anyone briefly scoring runs, taking wickets or achi pielding. 

chal jaake dhudh when i said he shud have never played for India 

Edited December 29, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[ViruDilSeKhelo]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

chal jaake dhudh when i said he shud have never played for India 

bhai, aap ke pass 30 hajar posts hai, jyada time lage ga. Koi bhat nay, I forgive you, Aaj kushi ka din hai, chilmar

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, ViruDilSeKhelo said:

bhai, aap ke pass 30 hajar posts hai, jyada time lage ga. Koi bhat nay, I forgive you, Aaj kushi ka din hai, chilmar

 

kyunki milega hi nahin

Dropped yes i have, not played i never said 

[zen]

11 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Pujara - post that Aussie tour he is back to being avg infact below avg overseas . Failed in Nz, WI and now Aus hasnt started well 

 

 

 

Even before Aus series, Pujara was pretty good relatively speaking

 

In top order

 

View overall figures

Primary team India

Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or South Africa

Home or away away (home of opposition)

Start of match date between 1 Jan 2012 and 1 Dec 2018

Batting position between 1 and 3

Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 5

Ordered by batting average (descending)

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
M Vijay	2013-2018	18	36	0	1208	146	33.55	2877	41.98	2	7	4	157	8
CA Pujara	2013-2018	19	36	1	1119	153	31.97	2752	40.66	2	5	3	145	1
KL Rahul	2014-2018	9	17	0	456	149	26.82	858	53.14	2	0	2	64	2
S Dhawan	2013-2018	15	30	0	774	115	25.80	1343	57.63	1	2	2	98	2
G Gambhir	2012-2014	5	10	0	190	83	19.00	456	41.66	0	1	2	24	0

 

 

In the middle order 

 

Primary team India

Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or South Africa

Home or away away (home of opposition)

Start of match date between 1 Jan 2012 and 1 Dec 2018

Batting position between 4 and 7

Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 5

Ordered by batting average (descending)

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
V Kohli	2012-2018	24	48	1	2480	169	52.76	4269	58.09	10	8	3	292	4
AM Rahane	2013-2018	19	37	3	1383	147	40.67	2643	52.32	3	8	3	177	4
MS Dhoni	2012-2014	13	24	2	626	82	28.45	1206	51.90	0	5	2	88	2
RG Sharma	2013-2018	9	18	1	360	72	21.17	824	43.68	0	1	3	39	4
HH Pandya	2018-2018	7	13	1	252	93	21.00	400	63.00	0	2	2	38

 

 

That avg of 32 in the top order can be like a 42-45 in MO. Has 7 50+ scores in 36 innings, while someone like Rahane has 8 in 37 playing in MO  (leader in MO is Kohli w/ 18 in 48)

 

 

On top of that he won us a series single handedly with the bat in Aus (first time in Ind's history)!  .... Why would we want to focus on games in WI (a low intensity series) and in NZ (where he was the 2nd highest run scorer playing in top order among mass failures), and here when he is coming off a long lay off (no IPL) but played some decent knocks such as 40 odd in Adelaide in difficult conditions and soaking up the pressure in the 1st inning at MCG

Edited December 29, 2020 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

32 minutes ago, zen said:

 

 

 

Even before Aus series, Pujara was pretty good relatively speaking

 

In top order

 

View overall figures

Primary team India

Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or South Africa

Home or away away (home of opposition)

Start of match date between 1 Jan 2012 and 1 Dec 2018

Batting position between 1 and 3

Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 5

Ordered by batting average (descending)

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
M Vijay	2013-2018	18	36	0	1208	146	33.55	2877	41.98	2	7	4	157	8
CA Pujara	2013-2018	19	36	1	1119	153	31.97	2752	40.66	2	5	3	145	1
KL Rahul	2014-2018	9	17	0	456	149	26.82	858	53.14	2	0	2	64	2
S Dhawan	2013-2018	15	30	0	774	115	25.80	1343	57.63	1	2	2	98	2
G Gambhir	2012-2014	5	10	0	190	83	19.00	456	41.66	0	1	2	24	0

 

 

 

how is 31 avg good ? and where is WI thats also overseas 

 

 

 

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In the middle order 

 

Primary team India

Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or South Africa

Home or away away (home of opposition)

Start of match date between 1 Jan 2012 and 1 Dec 2018

Batting position between 4 and 7

Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 5

Ordered by batting average (descending)

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
V Kohli	2012-2018	24	48	1	2480	169	52.76	4269	58.09	10	8	3	292	4
AM Rahane	2013-2018	19	37	3	1383	147	40.67	2643	52.32	3	8	3	177	4
MS Dhoni	2012-2014	13	24	2	626	82	28.45	1206	51.90	0	5	2	88	2
RG Sharma	2013-2018	9	18	1	360	72	21.17	824	43.68	0	1	3	39	4
HH Pandya	2018-2018	7	13	1	252	93	21.00	400	63.00	0	2	2	38

 

 

That avg of 32 in the top order can be like a 42-45 in MO. Has 7 50+ scores in 36 innings, while someone like Rahane has 8 in 37 playing in MO  (leader in MO is Kohli w/ 18 in 48)

 

 

On top of that he won us a series single handedly with the bat in Aus (first time in Ind's history)!  ....

 

no he didnt won it single handedly bowlers and other batsman also performed and opp didnt, Virat has had big series but other didnt contribute and opp scored . No player will single handed win u series, its a down right insult to other players

 

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Why would we want to focus on games in WI (a low intensity series) 

 

so drop him 

what a bull **** excuse, WI is a challenge in itself as it has duke balls and good bowlers . Just becoz he cant buy a run doesnt make it less of international cricket

 

 

Edited December 29, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

38 minutes ago, zen said:

 

 

 

 and in NZ (where he was the 2nd highest run scorer playing in top order among mass failures), and here when he is coming off a long lay off (no IPL) 

 

 

• did he score when others scored in NZ in 2014, even dhawan had a 100 and rohit had 70 
• there was no layoff in NZ or WI