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Why so many white supremacists are into veganism

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As a vegetarian myself, I found this an interesting read:

 

https://www.vice.com/en/article/evb4zw/why-so-many-white-supremacists-are-into-veganism

 

But not many realize that, strange as it sounds, numerous white nationalists are vegan and vegetarian. And it's not just an odd coincidence, but an outgrowth of one of the movement's bedrock beliefs: the concept of "blood and soil."

The slogan—blut und boden in the original German—was popularized by Walther Darré in 1930 (although the concepts behind the phrase can be traced back to the 19th-century Völkisch movement). Darré was the German minister of agriculture from 1933 to 1942 and a staunch advocate for agricultural reform in Nazi Germany. "Blood and soil" became a mythical reimaging of German identity, emphasizing the importance of racial heritage (blood) as tied to the land (soil). 

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10 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Do you have any specific criticisms of the analysis presented?  They are not saying veganism is racist.  They are saying that a significant number of white supremacists are vegan for specific reasons.  

 

No, my comment was in jest. Who knows some snowflake wiIl come up with this vegetarin racist concept after reading the vice report. I

t is attributed to their belief in superiority of their race, they have to eat super-humanly. I had thought they are taking credit for teaching Hindus the benefits of vegetarianism and hence they are. Interesting, oddly.

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I do know however if you leave out Indian Americans like us many of whom are vegetarians and conservative mindset, you will find many local born Americans who are vegans are also actually gay/lesbian. I have noticed this trend among white/black community that a lot of them have some sort of sociation or are big LGBT right activist etc. 

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33 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

I actually see less vegans/vegetarians into white supremacy. Whoever thought this is hasn't done his/her work for U.S studies at least and these stats are bull. 

 

 

It's not saying that most vegans/vegetarian are white supremacists.  It is just saying that the intersection of vegan/vegetarianism and white supremacy is larger that our intuition suggests.  In other words, our overall intuition that most vegans/vegetarians tend to be millenial or younger liberals is correct.  Maybe you and I would think that 1% of vegans/vegetarians may be white supremacists, but actual number may be more like 5 or 10%.  We might think that only 1% of white supremacists would be vegan/vegetarian, but in reality 10% of them are.  

 

As an analogy, I've never met an LGBTQ conservative.  They are all highly liberal, socialist, younger folks. But, in reality, there are many LGBTQ Trump supporters out there - in fact, I remember reading that over 45% of gay men supported him - that was shocking.     

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8 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

birds of a feather flock together

vegans are morons

white supremacists are morons

leftie radicals are also morons.

 

hence most vegans fall into one of the two groups. 

Oh come on ... hope you're joking about vegans in general being morons.    Agree about the last 2.

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19 hours ago, Cricketics said:

I do know however if you leave out Indian Americans like us many of whom are vegetarians and conservative mindset, you will find many local born Americans who are vegans are also actually gay/lesbian. I have noticed this trend among white/black community that a lot of them have some sort of sociation or are big LGBT right activist etc. 

 

Some are LGBT activists yet celebrate certain religions. They remain quiet and silent on LGBT and woman rights in different religion. There is a lot of oxymorons in modern societies today.

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https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-shaman-organic-diet-jake-angeli-1560754

 

 

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TheU.S. Marshal's Office said it will be complying with the strict organic diet of the Capitol attack suspect known as the "QAnon Shaman" following reports he has not eaten since he was placed in custody.

Jake Angeli, 33, of Arizona, real name Jacob Anthony Chansley, made his first court appearance on Monday after he was arrested on suspicion of being part of the mob which stormed the building on Wednesday, January 6.

Angeli is a known supporter of the QAnon conspiracy theory and was one of the most prominent people seen inside Congress during the suspected insurrection attempt due to his fur hat and horns and face paint.

 

 

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5 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Oh come on ... hope you're joking about vegans in general being morons.    Agree about the last 2.

No, vegans ARE morons. 

Denying objective evolutionary biology is moronic. We are an omnivore species. full stop. no amount of whining about BS compassion angle, that is just animal confirmation bias ( i can shower this thread with peer reviewed cutting edge research on plant cognition too- we have evidence that plants have memories, they can display complex psychological behaviour like PTSD etc)  will change the basic reality of species homo sapiens - we are a fruit and meat leaning omnivore. 

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17 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

No, vegans ARE morons. 

Denying objective evolutionary biology is moronic. We are an omnivore species. full stop. no amount of whining about BS compassion angle, that is just animal confirmation bias ( i can shower this thread with peer reviewed cutting edge research on plant cognition too- we have evidence that plants have memories, they can display complex psychological behaviour like PTSD etc)  will change the basic reality of species homo sapiens - we are a fruit and meat leaning omnivore. 

As a plant biochemist, I know all about plant cognition and have posted here about it too.  The cruelty angle is not valid.  I get it.  

 

But people have reasons other than animal cruelty - some are valid, e.g., a plant-based diet has a smaller environmental footprint.  So, it's not a totally moronic idea. 

 

What is moronic is their claim of moral superiority over meat-eaters.   

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1 minute ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

As a plant biochemist, I know all about plant cognition and have posted here about it too.  The cruelty angle is not valid.  I get it.  

 

But people have reasons other than animal cruelty - some are valid, e.g., a plant-based diet has a smaller environmental footprint.  So, it's not a totally moronic idea. 

 

What is moronic is their claim of moral superiority over meat-eaters.   

 

well an asian style diet is sustainable. Remember, Indians, Chinese, Filipinos, Thais, Burmese etc eat as much meat in 3 days as a standard westerner/japanese eats in one meal. This isnt about poverty, this is about sensibilities - even rich indian households dont consume a steaks portion of meat on one sitting per plate. 

 

So the answer isnt all or nothing - that is typical black and white ideology of the westerners. We as a species are best served, when we follow our own decisive elements of biology. Meat, in moderation ( as it is meant to), is clearly the best option for our species' diet.

 

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16 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

well an asian style diet is sustainable. Remember, Indians, Chinese, Filipinos, Thais, Burmese etc eat as much meat in 3 days as a standard westerner/japanese eats in one meal. This isnt about poverty, this is about sensibilities - even rich indian households dont consume a steaks portion of meat on one sitting per plate. 

 

So the answer isnt all or nothing - that is typical black and white ideology of the westerners. We as a species are best served, when we follow our own decisive elements of biology. Meat, in moderation ( as it is meant to), is clearly the best option for our species' diet.

 

To quote Tamar Haspel, food writer for the WaPo:  "Eat a wide variety of whole-ish foods in amounts consistent with the weight you want to be."  Rest is noise.  

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17 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Oh come on ... hope you're joking about vegans in general being morons.    Agree about the last 2.

 

On 1/12/2021 at 10:22 AM, Muloghonto said:

birds of a feather flock together

vegans are morons

white supremacists are morons

leftie radicals are also morons.

 

hence most vegans fall into one of the two groups. 

 

Could it be that humans can be geniuses in one category and "morons" in another ? William Shockley can be termed a racist and he was no moron. 

 

Edit: what about the religious people ? How far does one go to categorize people generally as "morons" ?

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5 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

@Muloghonto Here's a paper critiquing the idea of plant consciousness.  Interesting:

 

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00709-020-01579-w

 

 

Interesting article but it categorically fails to address the material evidence of plant cognition ( despite citing the sources) such as the mustard plant demonstrating PTSD symptom etc and direct evidence that plants display memory patterns. 
 

it delves into the standard animal centric bias of ‘ it cannot be a brain because no nervous system or nerve cells’ yet it misses the objective evidence that ‘ an entity showing signs of PTSD and memory is showing behaviour of an entity with a brain’ 

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