Head to head stats of batsmen and bowlers in BG trophy 2021

[R!TTER]

36 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Shami averages 21 at home while Umesh 24 at home.

Shami avg worse in Eng, much worse - how do you extrapolate that anomaly?

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Bumrah doesn't take wickets with new ball and wastes it all the time. That's a big negative while comparing potential ATG level bowlers.

 

Cummins bowled decently during his last tour to India.

Yeah that Ranchi spell was killer & it was his comeback series too I guess.  After a long time I saw an overseas pacer after Steyn looking so threatening on a life less pitch in SC. 

If Bumrah delivers the goods in India..  I'll rate him above Cummins.  He needs improvement with new ball in overseas.  Cummins is a beast with the old & new ball both..  Only left handers seem a little comfortable against him.  

[Soldier]

1 hour ago, dilliboy said:

Bumrah also had not played in the subcontinent yet... His stats will arguably go down once he does that regularly 

No he won't. He averages 22 in ranji. 

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, dilliboy said:

Bumrah also had not played in the subcontinent yet... His stats will arguably go down once he does that regularly 

 

Indian pacers average better in subcontinent.

 

Scoreboard pressure, help from spinners + skills for low bouncy tracks.

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, R!TTER said:

Shami avg worse in Eng, much worse - how do you extrapolate that anomaly?

 

There is no anamoly. Indian pacers struggle in England.

[Soldier]

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

 

There is no anamoly. Indian pacers struggle in England.

Bhuvi and Siraj will be fantastic there. Bhuvi I'd he actually gets his stuff together. 

[Majestic]

3 hours ago, R!TTER said:

Shami avg worse in Eng, much worse - how do you extrapolate that anomaly?

Shami's bowling suits Australian and South African wickets aside of home wickets where he has to attack the stumps. He is not an out and out swing bowler which is why he struggles in England and New Zealand.

 

England- Bumrah, Ishant, Siraj should be the way to go with Shami and Yadav as backup or rotated, even Shardul also assuming Bhuvi gets injured during IPL.

Edited January 22, 2021 by Majestic

[putrevus]

7 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Bumrah doesn't take wickets with new ball and wastes it all the time. That's a big negative while comparing potential ATG level bowlers.

 

Cummins bowled decently during his last tour to India.

Spot on. I don't think Bumrah had a great tour. Bumrah we saw in WI is not there yet. That Bumrah was just scary. Will he return to that form is the question.

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, Soldier said:

No he won't. He averages 22 in ranji. 

No. Bumrah averaged 25 in domestic cricket.

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Indian pacers average better in subcontinent.

 

Scoreboard pressure, help from spinners + skills for low bouncy tracks.

Not all. Zaheer average better overseas, poor in India. Ishant also regressed in India

[Majestic]

8 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

No. Bumrah averaged 25 in domestic cricket.

I think Bumrah will end up as Kapil Dev level bowler with 250 wickets at average of 26.

[Soldier]

6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

No. Bumrah averaged 25 in domestic cricket.

Oh ok. 25 in India and 21 overseas roughly. He would end up a 23 ish average bowler.

 

ATG

 

[Laaloo]

22 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Cummins took 0 wickets of lefties

 

Well to be frank

adelaide - no lefties in the Indian team

mcg - 2 lefties - pant and jaddu

Sydney - 2 lefties but jaddu only batted once 

gabba - 2 lefties 

[Soldier]

8 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Not all. Zaheer average better overseas, poor in India. Ishant also regressed in India

Different now. Shami and Umesh re AtGs in Asia. India. 

[Soldier]

8 hours ago, rkt.india said:

No. Bumrah averaged 25 in domestic cricket.

Just checked. He averaged 23.58 in A tour plus rnaji before debut. That is insanely good. a tour was in India. 

 

 

So yea people who think bumrah won't be as good as Shami in India are in for a nasty surprise. 

[Serpico]

8 hours ago, Soldier said:

Different now. Shami and Umesh re AtGs in Asia. India. 

how is Umesh "ATG" in asia? he didn't pick a wicket in bangladesh/pakistan. averages 39 in sri lanka. just say he is great at home

[Serpico]

On 1/22/2021 at 11:40 AM, Trichromatic said:

Bumrah doesn't take wickets with new ball and wastes it all the time. That's a big negative while comparing potential ATG level bowlers.

 

Cummins bowled decently during his last tour to India.

but Cummins for the most part of his career bowled as a first change bowler. Only in recent times, starc has regressed which made aus rely more on cummins with new ball too.

 

He took 36 wickets at 17.7 with first new ball(overs 1 - 15) and 20 wickets at 19.4 with second new ball(overs 81 - 95)

 

Bumrah took 19 wickets at 23.4 with first new ball and 15 wickets at 13.2 with second new ball