Discussion on Farmers issues in India

[Trichromatic]

21 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

We have electoral system in India. If law is bad, these farmers can vote against bjp and kick them out. Other parties who form govt will have all the powers reverse the laws but the problem is this protest is less about farmers and more about political vendetta against the govt. These farmers unions, Tikaits asked for the bill. Only then it was formed after the consultation of farmers unions. All of have been in the domain for quite a while now.

 

If these laws were so bad, protests would be huge in most of UP, Bihar, Bengal, Orissa, Andhra - all states where farmers are way poorer than Punjab farmers.

 

These protests may be only for 2 reasons:

 

1. Either it is just political vandetta or

 

2. Laws help poor farmers, but are bad for well off farmers of Punjab who earn. They are being selfish and want poor farmers to remain poor. Supporters of protest like carry same idea and hate states like Bihar, Orissa, Andhra, MP, CG, etc. They probably believe that these states don't deserve to do better and ready to hold country at ransom to ensure that they remain backward. 

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56 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

We have electoral system in India. If law is bad, these farmers can vote against bjp and kick them out. Other parties who form govt will have all the powers reverse the laws but the problem is this protest is less about farmers and more about political vendetta against the govt. These farmers unions, Tikaits asked for the bill. Only then it was formed after the consultation of farmers unions. All of have been in the domain for quite a while now.

Everyone who opposed the administration had a political vendetta in the eyes of bjpian.

Farmers have real concerns, as I have repeatedly stated in my posts.
Yes, they can vote out the BJP, they are presently working hard to persuade people of the government's terrible intentions, and the effect was felt in Bengal.

Don't expect  BJP to rule indefinitely, they will be deposed at some point. People will eventually kick out these hitlers like how they kicked out congress.

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1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

 

But that doesn't stop you from claiming that law abolishes Mandi.

 

Fair point. What has been govt reply in this regard?

I am not claiming anything, I'm simply stating the cause of their anxiety.

Farming is a difficult task that necessitates assurance, they have frequently requested a msp guarantee, but have received no response from government.

[Jimmy Cliff]

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The intent appears to be to consolidate farms to achieve economies of scale and usher in the industrial age of farming. Brilliant! But the law is tilted in favour of the corporates. As with the Farmers Produce Trade and Commerce Act, 2020, and even in this Act, as per Chapter 3 on dispute settlement, clause 14(7), the amount payable by the farmer in case of breach of contract may be recovered “as arrears of land revenue”.

Now, “arrears of land revenue” is a term used in the Revenue Recovery Act, 1890. That Act instructs the “Collector” to recover from a farmer in his district dues payable elsewhere, certified by another “Collector”, as if it were an ‘arrear of land revenue’ in his own district. It authorises him to prohibit any sale or alienation of the property through a proclamation and, as per clause 6(2), withdraw the proclamation “when either the amount stated in the certificate has been recovered or the property has been sold for the recovery of that amount”.

While Chapter 3(15) of FAPAFS 2020 prohibits action for recovery against the farmer’s agricultural land, what it means in practice is left to be seen. On top of that, in case of any dispute, the farmer again has no recourse to civil courts—the fundamental right available to all citizens of India. The farmer can go back again only to the SDM—whose superior, the Collector is the one executing the recovery of money—or further appeal the “Collector” himself! After 248 years since the post ‘Collector’ was created (to do institutionalised collections for a company in India), we seem to have come full circle.

 

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Not sure if this has been posted already. 

[Trichromatic]

2 hours ago, Under_Score said:

WRONG....Laws help Adani piece of Shyt who sponsers feku's elections & had already started building storage facilities for his business ( Leeching off the poor farmers's blood & hard work ) way before the farm laws were passed in a shady manner in the parliament......You can happily support crooks in the govt, I'm happy to support the poor farmers.

 

 

It's obvious that you hate poor farmers of Bihar, MP, Orissa who are not protesting against farm laws, probably because they see benefit from this.

 

Nothing surprising, it's not uncommon for privileged class to hate poor people of poor states in India.

 

Probably you want them to remain poor and forcing govt to crush them.

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2 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

It's obvious that you hate poor farmers of Bihar, MP, Orissa who are not protesting against farm laws, probably because they see benefit from this.

In fact, Bihar is an example.

The APMC act mandi system was abolished in Bihar 14 years ago, and the repercussions are still visible.

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, speedheat said:

In fact, Bihar is an example.

The APMC act mandi system was abolished in Bihar 14 years ago, and the repercussions are still visible.

 

How many farmers protested that? What were repercussions?

[Khota]

7 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

90% of farmers don't care about these protests and are not supporting it.

 

Obviously these protests are against those 90% some of them (e.g. Bihari farmers) happen to be 5 times poorer than Punjab farmers.

 

Not suprising that protestors want to crush hopes of poorest section of society and keep them poor.

This protest is about equitable distribution of money and empowering all farmers. All includes Bihar. If it is not a popular movement they will lose elections annd it will fizzle out.

[Khota]

4 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

 

It's obvious that you hate poor farmers of Bihar, MP, Orissa who are not protesting against farm laws, probably because they see benefit from this.

 

Nothing surprising, it's not uncommon for privileged class to hate poor people of poor states in India.

 

Probably you want them to remain poor and forcing govt to crush them.

This is called twisting words. You are causing divisions. This is about empowering everyone.

[Khota]

30 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

How many farmers protested that? What were repercussions?

Farmers did not protest and they are still poor. Mahapanchyat is making sure they all benefit from this.

[Trichromatic]

12 minutes ago, Khota said:

Farmers did not protest and they are still poor. Mahapanchyat is making sure they all benefit from this.

 

Benefit from what?

 

Mahapanchayat is anti poor and want to ensure that poor farmers of Bihar remain poor.

 

How is abolition of farm laws and mainitaining status quo will magically help Bihar farmers?

[Trichromatic]

16 minutes ago, Khota said:

This is called twisting words. You are causing divisions. This is about empowering everyone.

 

Then are you calling them dumb for not realizing this and not supporting/joining protests of Punjab farmers?

 

If they were empowering everyone, they would have got support from farmers of other states also which isn't the case.

[Trichromatic]

21 minutes ago, Khota said:

This protest is about equitable distribution of money and empowering all farmers. 

 

Please show how farmers of Bihar are protesting and supporting mahapanchayat.

 

Clearly it's a lie. It's been over a year and no one else has joined.

[Khota]

30 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Benefit from what?

 

Mahapanchayat is anti poor and want to ensure that poor farmers of Bihar remain poor.

 

How is abolition of farm laws and mainitaining status quo will magically help Bihar farmers?

Everybody you disagree with is anti poor. Mahapanchayat is for all the farmers.

[Khota]

28 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Please show how farmers of Bihar are protesting and supporting mahapanchayat.

 

Clearly it's a lie. It's been over a year and no one else has joined.

They are not as they are not organized. mahapanchyat is making sure all farmers benefits.

 

[Khota]

31 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Then are you calling them dumb for not realizing this and not supporting/joining protests of Punjab farmers?

 

If they were empowering everyone, they would have got support from farmers of other states also which isn't the case.

You are the one who is doing that. Show me one place where I have called any farmer dumb. Once again twisting words. You can do better than that.

[coffee_rules]

8 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

But that doesn't stop you from claiming that law abolishes Mandi.

 

Fair point. What has been govt reply in this regard?

In some negotiations, Govt agreed to give it in writing (MSP) , but now the farmers demand only repeal and nothing else

 

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/farmers-protest-msp-farm-laws-draft-proposal-amit-shah-7098165/

 

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[Trichromatic]

38 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

In some negotiations, Govt agreed to give it in writing (MSP) , but now the farmers demand only repeal and nothing else

 

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/farmers-protest-msp-farm-laws-draft-proposal-amit-shah-7098165/

 

MSP in writing, cess on private mandis: Centre reaches out, farmers say no

 

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[kepler37b]

10 hours ago, Under_Score said:

WRONG....Laws help Adani piece of Shyt who sponsers feku's elections & had already started building storage facilities for his business ( Leeching off the poor farmers's blood & hard work ) way before the farm laws were passed in a shady manner in the parliament......You can happily support crooks in the govt, I'm happy to support the poor farmers.

Do you not think even the so called poor farmer is leaching off environment and tax payer by subsidies and indiscriminate usage of chemicals? And also by blocking any move to become a tax payer? I would say the farmers and the Ambani are same. Both are selfish business men. One influences through money and another through votes. 

 

Ex:- My mom's ancestral village had a strong stream flowing in middle. That was 50 years back. Now a days the selfish farmers are using the free power to pump all the stream water to their fields. Now the stream is mostly dry. 

[kepler37b]

2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

In some negotiations, Govt agreed to give it in writing (MSP) , but now the farmers demand only repeal and nothing else

 

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/farmers-protest-msp-farm-laws-draft-proposal-amit-shah-7098165/

 

MSP in writing, cess on private mandis: Centre reaches out, farmers say no

Looks like they want more loot from the tax payer. Are these people farmers or Thugs? They must be even worse. Namely the politically active middlemen.