rangeelaraja Posted March 17, 2021 Posted March 17, 2021 https://apnews.com/article/897a11ab235d499d0d1a25edb4db60cf This is very old news. The F16 hull has not changed over the years. A wild pig taking down an F16 is surprising. That sounds more fragile than a Maruti 800 Newspaper Says: Pakistani F-16 Explodes after Hitting Wild Boar
G_B_ Posted March 17, 2021 Posted March 17, 2021 See its not just about the jet. The armament and accessories etc has heavily improved with each block.
Clarke Posted March 18, 2021 Posted March 18, 2021 Fantastic multirole aircraft. Impediments on the runway aren't part of design spec. Bigger passenger planes struggle with smaller birds while in flight.
Khota Posted March 18, 2021 Posted March 18, 2021 F-16 for the cost is the best aircraft ever produced. Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong.
Vilander Posted March 18, 2021 Posted March 18, 2021 11 hours ago, Khota said: F-16 for the cost is the best aircraft ever produced. Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. Lol always very confident unsubstatiated extreme view point.
Khota Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Vilander said: Lol always very confident unsubstatiated extreme view point. 5000 copies made of this aircraft. How many modern aircrafts can claim that?
Vilander Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 34 minutes ago, Khota said: 5000 copies made of this aircraft. How many modern aircrafts can claim that? So what if they made most copies you said its the best aircraft not the most produced aircraft.
Tibarn Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) The real question is, how good is it when a paindoo is flying it? Edited March 19, 2021 by Tibarn G_B_ and Khota 1 1
Khota Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 21 minutes ago, Vilander said: So what if they made most copies you said its the best aircraft not the most produced aircraft. It is logical they will always produce a good jet more than other that is not so good. Go check its air to air kill ratios. The numbers are eye opener.
Khota Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Tibarn said: The real question is, how good is it when a paindoo is flying it? It takes a lot to achieve air superiority. Paindoo will never achieve it vs IAF.
Vilander Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 52 minutes ago, Khota said: It is logical they will always produce a good jet more than other that is not so good. Go check its air to air kill ratios. The numbers are eye opener. Nope at the time f16 was produced it was apt for us armed forces and their budget and influence allowed them to produce those numbers. F16 as an aircraft has some advantages and some disadvantages like every other air craft, in design they gave up some and got some, current bvr does keep it relevant with weapons package that US has. Paks blk 52 are very poor in this regard, your assertion that f16 was the best fighter jet is simply untrue. Anyways you are very argumentative so I am not interested in discussing any more. G_B_ 1
Vilander Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 55 minutes ago, Khota said: It takes a lot to achieve air superiority. Paindoo will never achieve it vs IAF. F16 block 52 has many short comings. F16 design has short comings against more agile jets in wvr regime Us has advantage with their weapons package in bvr. Pak does not have one against astra and meteor it had.one against r77. Paf f16s for instance have no chance against iaf tejas mk1a and above in iaf inventory. They lobbed 6 Amraam on a couple of su30 without a single hit and a mig21 bison scored a kill with a bloody r77.
Khota Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 59 minutes ago, Vilander said: Nope at the time f16 was produced it was apt for us armed forces and their budget and influence allowed them to produce those numbers. F16 as an aircraft has some advantages and some disadvantages like every other air craft, in design they gave up some and got some, current bvr does keep it relevant with weapons package that US has. Paks blk 52 are very poor in this regard, your assertion that f16 was the best fighter jet is simply untrue. Anyways you are very argumentative so I am not interested in discussing any more. Once again I dont think a single, not even one F -16 has been lost in air to air combat. Not one. Mig 21 hit, I am on the fence on that one.
Khota Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 56 minutes ago, Vilander said: F16 block 52 has many short comings. F16 design has short comings against more agile jets in wvr regime Us has advantage with their weapons package in bvr. Pak does not have one against astra and meteor it had.one against r77. Paf f16s for instance have no chance against iaf tejas mk1a and above in iaf inventory. They lobbed 6 Amraam on a couple of su30 without a single hit and a mig21 bison scored a kill with a bloody r77. Tejas uses the same type engine as F-16 with Mirage aerodynamics. With latest EW package I doubt if Tejas can do well against F-16. tejas is definitely better than the old Mig 21 etc. Indwin 1
Khota Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 54 minutes ago, Vilander said: F16 block 52 has many short comings. F16 design has short comings against more agile jets in wvr regime Us has advantage with their weapons package in bvr. Pak does not have one against astra and meteor it had.one against r77. Paf f16s for instance have no chance against iaf tejas mk1a and above in iaf inventory. They lobbed 6 Amraam on a couple of su30 without a single hit and a mig21 bison scored a kill with a bloody r77. I have no idea on the capability of Pak F-16's but the one IAF operates, those are unbeatable. I dont consider PAF a modern airforce.
mishra Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Khota said: 5000 copies made of this aircraft. How many modern aircrafts can claim that? Agree with it. If I recall correctly, even Rafale a next generation aircraft was unable to get a lock on F-16. They had to do a lot of upgrades to achieve that capability in later versions of Rafale. I suspect the Sukhois faced same issue when Pakistanis came with F-16 post Balakot. Somehow Abhi managed to bring one down but not before he had to enter enemy territory where F-16 pilots of PAF airforce wasn’t expecting him to be. That was why it was such a embarrassment to manufacturers of F-16 as most likely it was PAF pilot who was caught off guard Khota 1
Khota Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 5 hours ago, mishra said: Agree with it. If I recall correctly, even Rafale a next generation aircraft was unable to get a lock on F-16. They had to do a lot of upgrades to achieve that capability in later versions of Rafale. I suspect the Sukhois faced same issue when Pakistanis came with F-16 post Balakot. Somehow Abhi managed to bring one down but not before he had to enter enemy territory where F-16 pilots of PAF airforce wasn’t expecting him to be. That was why it was such a embarrassment to manufacturers of F-16 as most likely it was PAF pilot who was caught off guard I dont consider Pakistan a threat or a modern airforce. Current version of Rafael is very capable but almost at 6x the cost. Rafel has some advantage over it but I dont know really if it is there against US versions of F-16. None of the french crap is battle tested but documented kills by F-16 are unbelievable.
G_B_ Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 Problem with pak 16 is they are starved of parts. Re the best jet, it really depends on your countries strategy. In ww2 the t34 won the day cause they were cheap and efficient to produce as compared to german tanks which were technologically better. Clarke 1
Vilander Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 9 hours ago, Khota said: Tejas uses the same type engine as F-16 with Mirage aerodynamics. With latest EW package I doubt if Tejas can do well against F-16. tejas is definitely better than the old Mig 21 etc. There are regimes again. Bvr for non stealth is abt radar ( aesa and size) and bvr missile range ( astra vs aim 120 amraam ). Deltas have better instantaneous turn but bleed more energy for sustained turn, tejas has much less clean configuration fuel capacity. Tejas might not do that well against f16 if it gets close but tejas is a defensive fighter rafale and su30 are air dominance fighters, iaf won't use tejas mk1a for this job it might use mwf and orca in future. Attack is a diff regime and diff conditions. Tejas mk1a is good for the role it plays, an area defended by tejas mk1a is a very dangerous one for a jf17 or paf f16blk 52 to go on raids in. Meaning tejas can go with multiple bvr missiles without drop tanks if it is point defending and incoming f16 bll 52 will be carrying fuel tanks and will be more easily identified and early while it won't see defending tejas. F16 block 70 is a different proposition with its conformal fuel tanks its more a modern air dominance multirole like rafale. But then enemy does not have it. I dont yet know abt j10 attacking tejasmk1a defended area, wonder how that stacks up. G_B_ 1
Vilander Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Khota said: documented kills by F-16 are unbelievable. Again dude read the fine print what was the anti air ground defence was it dense , were the opposing air assets worthy not some ww2 heritage ? Us often goes up against poor air forces and of course desimates them. Not that us af is not the best they are , but there are many counters till bvr missiles became so dominant mig29s and su27s absolutely owned f16 and f15 respectively in wvr Edge. So US moved on to bvr when others caught up they moved to stealth when others are catching up they will move to drone swarm and other 6th gen tech. Its like that.
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