IPL ... Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners ....

[tapandrun]

Just now, Need4Speed said:

wont have any future then..doesnt have any special skills with the ball apart from pace..

Will play ipl just need 1 good season to play at-least 4-5 seasons of IPL 

[singhvivek141]

1 minute ago, tapandrun said:

After 1st ball of the spell clocking at 150 kmph thought he was coming back to his express bowling. but after that many 145+ kmph balls but nothing close to 150 kmph.

 

Think he will go through the same old pattern -- Started as express bowler for 8 over season 1-ipl , then 145+ kmph touching 150 kmph here and there and then will settle down for high 130s and mid 140s kmph

Well, Tyagi came back fast after almost an exile of 5 years. Still hitting same speeds. He was trundling though in 2024...135-145 range.
Once body adjusts to changed in action and runup, the flow will comeback.

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said:

Not impressed with Mayank..  lacks bowling smarts big time.

Too predictable like Umran 

 

Just now, singhvivek141 said:

Another 50 from Mayank.
I know he didn't bowl erratic lines, but he became predictable, which is enough for batters.
Not sure if LSG will play him another game, but he definitely can't be bowling at 140-150 range and be predictable. He has to bowl quicker which we has doing in his first season.
So many deliveries above 150k.

 

 

Mayank needs some actual games under his belt. He had played just 5 T20Is,  0  List A and 0 FC marches in the last 24 months before this match. 

 

Needs to play domestic cricket regularly from now on.

 

Before that we can't judge him 

 

He came to the IPL 2024 after playing and performing in VHT and SMAT. That made a big difference.

[tapandrun]

1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said:

Well, Tyagi came back fast after almost an exile of 5 years. Still hitting same speeds. He was trundling though in 2024...135-145 range.
Once body adjusts to changed in action and runup, the flow will comeback.

Tyagi has mad-man mentality he wants to bowl fast , so even after injuries he is trying to push. Mayank lacks that clearly 

[tapandrun]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

 

Mayank needs some actual games under his belt. He had played just 5 T20Is,  0  List A and 0 FC marches in the last 24 months before this match. 

 

Needs to play domestic cricket regularly from now on.

 

Before that we can't judge him 

 

He came to the IPL 2024 after playing and performing in VHT and SMAT. That made a big difference.

looking how its going fr him he is going to settle for 138-145 kmph range 

[singhvivek141]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

 

 

Mayank needs some actual games under his belt. He had played just 5 T20Is,  0  List A and 0 FC marches in the last 24 months before this match. 

 

Needs to play domestic cricket regularly from now on.

 

Before that we can't judge him 

 

He came to the IPL 2024 after playing and performing in VHT and SMAT. That made a big difference.

Our domestic season will start from September onwards.
Prince yadav will surely be a name for WI, Zimbabwe tour of India.
Not sure of there is any other tournament before, but Mayank has to play regularly for Delhi, as Harshit is unlikely to get fit.
Tyagi and Ashok too needs to build up.

[Lone Wolf]

10 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

looking how its going fr him he is going to settle for 138-145 kmph range 

Yeah wasn't able to hit the length properly..  Idk why he didn't even try bowling a full fast off stump line.

[Lone Wolf]

10 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Our domestic season will start from September onwards.
Prince yadav will surely be a name for WI, Zimbabwe tour of India.
Not sure of there is any other tournament before, but Mayank has to play regularly for Delhi, as Harshit is unlikely to get fit.
Tyagi and Ashok too needs to build up.

Prince Tyagi and Ashok should be next in line Pacers.

 

Prince strictly T20, of course.

[Need4Speed]

20 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Will play ipl just need 1 good season to play at-least 4-5 seasons of IPL 

if he has 1 good ipl season..then it will be based on his pace..means he is back due to pace..as he is not like those smart trundler bowlers..that he will be successful at high 130s..

if he has that 1 good full ipl season due to pace..he will knock the doors of Indian team again..

 

need to bowl a lot without getting fitness issues..he needs confidence at th emoment and lot of overs under his belt..the domestics will give him that..as there you will not be hit on decent balls..

Edited May 7 by Need4Speed

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Our domestic season will start from September onwards.
Prince yadav will surely be a name for WI, Zimbabwe tour of India.
Not sure of there is any other tournament before, but Mayank has to play regularly for Delhi, as Harshit is unlikely to get fit.
Tyagi and Ashok too needs to build up.

 

 

We need to arrange some 50 over matches between India A and India B during the off season.

 

Give chances to Ashok, Gurnoor, Mayank, Tyagi, Prince. Among batters Sooryavanshi, Priyansh, Reddy. 

[express bowling]

16 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

looking how its going fr him he is going to settle for 138-145 kmph range 

 

I think he will bowl 150 + if he plays domestic cricket and India A games regularly.

[Texan]

Mayank's bowling figures don't do justice. He didn't really bowl that badly. Good pace and hurried many batters. I feel like Mayank will be more useful if he can play the longer formats as well. Not sure about his fitness levels, but if he is fit, he should focus on playing few Ranji games (not all), Duleep Trophy, few overseas A team tours, etc.  The real value of a fast bowler is realized more in the longer formats. 

[AKane]

8 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I think he will bowl 150 + if he plays domestic cricket and India A games regularly.

For him key is 150+. If he bowls 138-145, it is not going to work. Unfortunate for him but true.

[tapandrun]

14 minutes ago, Texan said:

Mayank's bowling figures don't do justice. He didn't really bowl that badly. Good pace and hurried many batters. I feel like Mayank will be more useful if he can play the longer formats as well. Not sure about his fitness levels, but if he is fit, he should focus on playing few Ranji games (not all), Duleep Trophy, few overseas A team tours, etc.  The real value of a fast bowler is realized more in the longer formats. 

he is bowling 145+ kmph in t20s, its fair to assume he will be around 140 kmph in test and even bit slower. Krishna was bowling same same last season ipl and then bowled mid to high 130s in Odis and test.

 

 

[tapandrun]

23 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I think he will bowl 150 + if he plays domestic cricket and India A games regularly.

 

14 minutes ago, AKane said:

For him key is 150+. If he bowls 138-145, it is not going to work. Unfortunate for him but true.

 

 

Hope he bowls 150+ kmph in future bt the trends does not look that way. After injury if the bowler is not able to get back to previous pace its hard to regain it afterwards.

 

Nortje use to be 150+ kmph bowler but he too struggles to get to 150 kmph may be 1-2 ball here-there, after reoccuring injuries he lost the pace and never regained same pace.

 

With the the express pacers or near express pacers of the past they would get injured but return to full speed soon. Tait/Bond/Akthar/Styne all had injuries but they returned with full pace everytime. Same can be seen with Markwood. 

 

Bowling at that pace is not easy, 1stly not every1 has that kind of pace if some1 has it injuries will be part of the it and then coming back to full pace after injuries is more of a mentality thing. 

 

Edited May 7 by tapandrun

[AKane]

4 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

 

 

Hope he bowls 150+ kmph in future bt the trends does not look that way. After injury if the bowler is not able to get back to previous pace its hard to regain it afterwards.

 

Nortje use to be 150+ kmph bowler but he too struggles to get to 150 kmph may be 1-2 ball here-there, after reoccuring injuries he lost the pace and never regained same pace.

 

With the the express pacers or near express pacers of the past they would get injured but return to full speed soon. Tait/Bond/Akthar/Styne all had injuries but they returned with full pace everytime. Same can be seen with Markwood. 

 

Bowling at that pace is not easy, 1stly not every1 has that kind of pace if some1 has it injuries will be part of the it and then coming back to full pace after injuries is more of a mentality thing. 

 

I have a different concern - knowing Indian coaching methods, I think they have dabbled with Mayank's action. The action that produced 150+ speeds with almost impossible to hit out accuracy in 2024 is gone. The new action limits pace and limits accuracy and the bowler of 2024 may be gone as a result.

 

The injury was god sent to them - using a trifling injury they went to work...... 

[maniac]

ye darr accha hai  
 

 

[Texan]

Watched the replay of Mayank's bowling again and here is my analysis:

 

First two overs: Mayank was absolutely steaming in and bowling exceptionally good short pitched fast balls. Both batsmen were clearly not comfortable with the pace and were lucky to have survived that spell. 

2-0-15-0

 

Next two overs: He was still bowling a good length, but pace was slightly off and line was a little bit more leg side. RCB batters like Patidar and David are very good at the leg side mow over cow corner and due to the predictable line and length, were able to hit him for a couple of sixes each. Lesson: He needs to change his line to be a bit more towards the offside and mix in a few yorkers.

 

Remember that LSG has really not treated Mayank well if he was truly fit and match ready whole season. You can't play him in the middle of a season, then drop him after one match for a few matches and then play him again for one match. They will probably drop him again after this game. What confidence will that give to your fast bowler? Obviously, he has to be playing all matches to ensure he has a good rhythm and confidence. 

 

Mayank on his part has to shift his line to a little more towards off side especially to batsmen who are predominantly leg side players. He also has to learn to slip in a few yorkers or even low fulltosses on off stump line. 

[Suhaan]

3 hours ago, Texan said:

Mayank on his part has to shift his line to a little more towards off side especially to batsmen who are predominantly leg side players. He also has to learn to slip in a few yorkers or even low fulltosses on off stump line. 

It is the same line he was operating right from the start

He isn't bowling full to exploit that line,even if does batsmen these days are unrelenting towards leg,T20 s require different lengths

Most successful of them is wide yorkers,yorkers,hard lengths,into the deck slower ones rising into the batsmen(even that too may travel in coming days towards midwicket,square leg etc)

He needs to play as many games as possible ,his body is too rusty,and work hard to bowl atleast 10 deliveries over 150 in 24 ball spell 

[Suhaan]

7 hours ago, tapandrun said:

he is bowling 145+ kmph in t20s, its fair to assume he will be around 140 kmph in test and even bit slower. Krishna was bowling same same last season ipl and then bowled mid to high 130s in Odis and test.

 

 

He surely lacks the fast bowling temper,not showing tensed face is not the only trait which separates you from genuine pace loving pacers ,it is forged deep inside your mind rather

Bumrah never shows animated faces or required testosterone levels to make those facial expressions but he's a true pacer always tries to hurt batsmen/bowl pace to make things difficult for batsmen 

Edited May 8 by Suhaan