Is Mental Level of Kids across the border is higher than my Country (Pakistan)?

[mishra]

2 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

@mishra

I am finished with the debate. 
I hope if you get a chance, then you will save the innocent lives without considering if they are Muslim men/women/children or not. 

Islam and its religious followers do not consider non islamic followers lives as important and worth saving. Infact given opportunity, they would easily justify killing on non Muslims.

 

As I said, in modern agae, this justification of genocide, begins and ends with  Islamic people, so don’t preach your Garbage that others have this tendency. Again, fix yourself as others whom you are blaming , dont consult some Religious person or text before taking a righteous action, for them, its their social, moral and legal duty (Not Religious).

Edited April 10, 2021 by mishra

[Alam_dar]

15 minutes ago, mishra said:

 

As I said, in modern agae, this justification of genocide, begins and ends with  Islamic people, so don’t preach your Garbage that others have this tendency.

 

It is your opinion that only Muslims could be extremists and there could exist no fanaticism in others. 

 

As far as I am concerned, then I do believe in UN reports, in International court of Justice, and European Countries who all blamed genocide of Rohingya by Myanmar Army. I don't believe in countries like China (or even present Indian government) who deny this genocide. 

 

 

15 minutes ago, mishra said:

Again, fix yourself as others whom you are blaming , dont consult some Religious person or text before taking a righteous action, for them, its their social, moral and legal duty (Not Religious).

 

Religious texts are not necessary for madness. Some times political madness or nationalistic madness is also enough to go for such genocides. 

 

I am not equating Islamic madness with others, while Islamic madness is much worse.

 

Nevertheless, politics/nationalism madness also stays a madness and must be criticized enough so that it could be reformed too. We are living in a civilized world, which should have no place for any kind of madness, even if it is a small one. 

[coffee_rules]

6 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

 

In fact, I have given up all hopes that you people would ever accept my rights to criticise Hindutva movement too. It is just like the behaviour of Muslims, where they also don't want to give right to criticise Islam by telling me that I have already left Islam and became an ex-Muslim, and thus I have no right more to criticise Islam. 

 

Because your argument is not convincing, you have never lived in India and talk of Indian society after reading liberal and commie media. You sound like Pappu who said that the biggest  threat to India is Hindu extremism. There is no rise in Hindutva crimes in India, it is selective journalism as they bring out crimes against minorities esp in BJP ruled states. All others are a law and order issues, take the case of lynching by cow smugglers , or love jihad etc.

 

There is no polarization as BJP is winning mostly on development platform. The caste equation is changed as BJP has developed its own quotient of caste equation as in UP. 
 

You don’t see the reform side of Hinduism and keep harping on the negatives like casteism. It is almost eradicated in urban India and more people are giving up, still very prevalent in rural India. 
 

You keep singing like a broken record that minorities are living in fear. Except for Muslims all other minorities are doing much better economically than the rest of the country. Jains, Parsis, Christians, all don’t have any issues living beside Hindus. Your Dara hua musalman theory has been a joke. They are not living in fear and there is a ghetto culture where it is impossible for Hindus to live around, pockets in inner cities are no-go zones even for police. They do namaaz in the middle of the street and build mosques and dargaahs wherever they please taking over public property. Have their own personal laws, but still remain poor because of isolation from mainstream because of politics, not due to discrimination.

 

On theology, you have no basis to equate Hinduism with other religions. You are like a newly converted vegetarian who used to eat meat till yesterday, starts preaching non-vegetarians the ills of eating meat. You read some distorted western translations of our scriptures and argue like those coming from tradition. You come up with weird theories of slave markets in ancient India before the advent of Islam. Dasa or Dasyus are not slaves, It almost seems like you have an agenda coming here. Nobody says you have no right to question Hindutva, but you are wrong most of the times. 

India is better off than yesterday certainly much better than during partition 

Sat Rant over. 

Edited April 10, 2021 by coffee_rules

[Clarke]

1 hour ago, Alam_dar said:

 

I have only this request to deal with me as human first, and not as Pakistani first. 

Your categorisation of India/Hindus is the same as some LeT terrorist, so that's a tall ask.

[mishra]

32 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

It is your opinion that only Muslims could be extremists and there could exist no fanaticism in others. 

 

As far as I am concerned, then I do believe in UN reports, in International court of Justice, and European Countries who all blamed genocide of Rohingya by Myanmar Army. I don't believe in countries like China (or even present Indian government) who deny this genocide. 

 

 

 

Religious texts are not necessary for madness. Some times political madness or nationalistic madness is also enough to go for such genocides. 

 

I am not equating Islamic madness with others, while Islamic madness is much worse.

 

Nevertheless, politics/nationalism madness also stays a madness and must be criticized enough so that it could be reformed too. We are living in a civilized world, which should have no place for any kind of madness, even if it is a small one. 

No, As a “society” in modern world, Muslims are only people who are capable of carrying out and/ or allready carrying out genocide. Look at whole of Muslim world and you will see it everywhere from Somalia , Africa to Indonesia. While Every other group will ask or force eviction or some level of temporary suppression , that includes commies like China. 
 

 

On second tbhought, I don’t know how bad Chinese can be

Edited April 10, 2021 by mishra

[Alam_dar]

41 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Because your argument is not convincing, you have never lived in India and talk of Indian society after reading liberal and commie media. You sound like Pappu who said that the biggest  threat to India is Hindu extremism. There is no rise in Hindutva crimes in India, it is selective journalism as they bring out crimes against minorities esp in BJP ruled states. All others are a law and order issues, take the case of lynching by cow smugglers , or love jihad etc.

 

There is no polarization as BJP is winning mostly on development platform. The caste equation is changed as BJP has developed its own quotient of caste equation as in UP. 
 

You don’t see the reform side of Hinduism and keep harping on the negatives like casteism. It is almost eradicated in urban India and more people are giving up, still very prevalent in rural India. 
 

You keep singing like a broken record that minorities are living in fear. Except for Muslims all other minorities are doing much better economically than the rest of the country. Jains, Parsis, Christians, all don’t have any issues living beside Hindus. Your Dara hua musalman theory has been a joke. They are not living in fear and there is a ghetto culture where it is impossible for Hindus to live around, pockets in inner cities are no-go zones even for police. They do namaaz in the middle of the street and build mosques and dargaahs wherever they please taking over public property. Have their own personal laws, but still remain poor because of isolation from mainstream because of politics, not due to discrimination.

 

On theology, you have no basis to equate Hinduism with other religions. You are like a newly converted vegetarian who used to eat meat till yesterday, starts preaching non-vegetarians the ills of eating meat. You read some distorted western translations of our scriptures and argue like those coming from tradition. You come up with weird theories of slave markets in ancient India before the advent of Islam. Dasa or Dasyus are not slaves, It almost seems like you have an agenda coming here. Nobody says you have no right to question Hindutva, but you are wrong most of the times. 

India is better off than yesterday certainly much better than during partition 

Sat Rant over. 

 

It is totally OK if you are of opinion that my observations about present India and Hindutva movement are wrong. I welcome your opinion. 

 

Nevertheless, I still stick to my opinion and consider them to be correct. And there are millions of Indian Seculars too who hold same views as I have and they have direct observation of India too. 

 

Problem occurs, when I am told that I don't have any right to have any opinion about India as if I am only a Pakistani, and not a human being. This does not count to difference of opinion, but this counts to usurping the right to have an opinion. 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

1 minute ago, Alam_dar said:

 

And there are millions of Indian Seculars too who hold same views as I have and they have direct observation of India too. 

 

 

 

How do you say that with assertion? You read twenty of them on SM.  Or you must be in a echo chamber where a few voices sound like a million!

[Vilander]

2 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

 

I have only this request to deal with me as human first, and not as Pakistani first. 

For sure you are looked at as human first and foremost and you also need to stop propaganda and look at truth. 

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, Clarke said:

Your categorisation of India/Hindus is the same as some LeT terrorist, so that's a tall ask.

Exactly pakistani mentality of false equivalence. One side beheads and rapes women and weds little girls. Other side has cow vigilantes, there is equivalence in that ? Both are scum agreed but there is no equivalence here. 

[Vilander]

On 4/10/2021 at 10:44 AM, Alam_dar said:

Problem occurs, when I am told that I don't have any right to have any opinion about India as if I am only a Pakistani, and not a human being. This does not count to difference of opinion, but this counts to usurping the right to have an opinion. 

Everyone is entitled an opinion, no one is entitled propaganda

Edited April 12, 2021 by Vilander

[sandeep]

On 4/10/2021 at 10:44 AM, Alam_dar said:

Problem occurs, when I am told that I don't have any right to have any opinion about India as if I am only a Pakistani, and not a human being. This does not count to difference of opinion, but this counts to usurping the right to have an opinion

 

You can keep inhabiting your delusion bubble - your being Pakistani has nothing to do with why you are dismissed and ridiculed.  Tomorrow if my 5 year old insists in an argument that white is black, and red is blue, and if she gets corrected, that doesn't mean her "right to opinion" is usurped.  

 

You keep spouting unsupported nonsense as if it were fact, and argue under false pretences - under stricter rules you'd be banned for trolling, but this forum is built around openness and that allows even trolls like you a fair degree of freedom.

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

 

You can keep inhabiting your delusion bubble - your being Pakistani has nothing to do with why you are dismissed and ridiculed.  Tomorrow if my 5 year old insists in an argument that white is black, and red is blue, and if she gets corrected, that doesn't mean her "right to opinion" is usurped.  

 

You keep spouting unsupported nonsense as if it were fact, and argue under false pretences - under stricter rules you'd be banned for trolling, but this forum is built around openness and that allows even trolls like you a fair degree of freedom.

exactly in more stringent advert revenue supported forums with full time mods - this would be day 1 ban based on concern trolling. ICF is chill which is great, it lets us get the troll psyche and respond likewise.