rkt.india Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Bumrah lacks that bounce that Arshdeep can generate. On a good fast bouncy pitch he can be handful. But on docile surface due to height Arhsdeep extracts more bounce. Not really. Arshdeep doesn't hit the deck. Bumrah gets more bounce than many tall bowlers because of his high arm release. Jamadagni, express bowling and Vijy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 9 hours ago, Suhaan said: Keep him miles away from odi side and test side,T20 side fine Please don’t say Kuldeep Sen, Saini type bowlers are ahead of him because they clock a couple or 140+ balls Suhaan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhaan Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 hours ago, maniac said: Please don’t say Kuldeep Sen, Saini type bowlers are ahead of him because they clock a couple or 140+ balls Kuldeep Sen type bowlers? isn't that too early to judge him? Arshadeep isn't a 50 over bowler yet,he too has been belted for runs ,infact looked quite toothless from the last t20wc sf Got dropped from the side against visiting NZ Kuldeep Sen has played handful of matches and is been around fc ,not a couple 140+ balls bowler He's a genuine pacer,while you overate someone you tend to underrate other When you try out 10 pacers in span of 2 years ,you will come up with 1 or 2 international quality bowlers I'm afraid Arshadeep is again getting overhyped when he shouldn't be express bowling, singhvivek141 and Mosher 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 hours ago, maniac said: Please don’t say Kuldeep Sen, Saini type bowlers are ahead of him because they clock a couple or 140+ balls Kuldeep is not a "couple of 140+"balls pacer. He bowled multiple overs in Irani Trophy against Saurashtra and also in last IPL 95% of his deliveries were above 140k. He is a genuine fast bowler like Tyagi and Umran. express bowling and Mosher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Suhaan said: Kuldeep Sen type bowlers? isn't that too early to judge him? Arshadeep isn't a 50 over bowler yet,he too has been belted for runs ,infact looked quite toothless from the last t20wc sf Got dropped from the side against visiting NZ Kuldeep Sen has played handful of matches and is been around fc ,not a couple 140+ balls bowler He's a genuine pacer,while you overate someone you tend to underrate other When you try out 10 pacers in span of 2 years ,you will come up with 1 or 2 international quality bowlers I'm afraid Arshadeep is again getting overhyped when he shouldn't be he got injured the first chance he got. Arshdeep is always fit, ready and gives it his all. If there is a 145k bowler with a similar attitude by all means put him ahead. apart from some 140+ deliveries I haven’t seen anything impressive from Kuldeep outside of 1-2 overs. I don’t follow domestic so I will let you be the judge but sorry I think you should be giving Arshdeep credit for only growing in stature and working on his game: not his fault others are not grabbing chances or being fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Just now, singhvivek141 said: Kuldeep is not a "couple of 140+"balls pacer. He bowled multiple overs in Irani Trophy against Saurashtra and also in last IPL 95% of his deliveries were above 140k. He is a genuine fast bowler like Tyagi and Umran. As I told suhaan I don’t watch domestics anymore : Kuldeep hasn’t impressed in the chances he got. Sure maybe not enough chances but still in a highly competitive environment you stand out every chance you get. Arshdeep has done well in every chance he got. Maybe 1-2 bad performances but more good than bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 @Suhaan @singhvivek141 I usually don’t like players who get injured in the middle of the game from their own fitness. It’s different someone getting injured batting or fielding. I have soured on Bhuvi and I still don’t trust Pandya because these 2 have put us in a spot many times. Zak too I didn’t forgive him for 2011 which started a night mare for our cricket. These guys should be fit and ready but if they are not fit to be even as fringe players then them bowling 140 on domestic pitches doesn’t help in the long run. that’s the point Suhaan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhaan Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, maniac said: he got injured the first chance he got. Arshdeep is always fit, ready and gives it his all. If there is a 145k bowler with a similar attitude by all means put him ahead. apart from some 140+ deliveries I haven’t seen anything impressive from Kuldeep outside of 1-2 overs. I don’t follow domestic so I will let you be the judge but sorry I think you should be giving Arshdeep credit for only growing in stature and working on his game: not his fault others are not grabbing chances or being fit. Injuries are part of the game, Kuldeep is good 4-5 kph faster than Arshadeep on average Arshadeep growing?IPL hype(most of the times false) has nothing to do with international cricket Arshadeep like other trundlers is quite floaty too, don't confuse yourself with the inability of Pakistani batsmen against him, I'm not saying Kuldeep Sen now is better than Arshadeep as he has not played much,but I will also not say he won't be,because Arshadeep as a benchmark is too low Even a fit Tyagi with all the opportunity can be better than him Mosher, express bowling and singhvivek141 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, maniac said: As I told suhaan I don’t watch domestics anymore : Kuldeep hasn’t impressed in the chances he got. Sure maybe not enough chances but still in a highly competitive environment you stand out every chance you get. Arshdeep has done well in every chance he got. Maybe 1-2 bad performances but more good than bad His injury was unfortunate, but before making his debut against Bangladesh he was playing Vijay Hazare Trophy and was picking 4fer and 5fers left right and center. I think he picked up 17/18 wickets in 6 games. He was the only one pacer who after last IPL, consistently performed in domestics and broke the door for national team with his amazing performance. Perfomed not bad in one game as well. Edited April 23, 2023 by singhvivek141 express bowling, maniac, Suhaan and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhaan Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, maniac said: Maybe 1-2 bad performances but more good than bad He has only looked world class to me against Pakistan , I know SENA sides murder bowlers like him if conditions aren't swing haven express bowling and singhvivek141 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Suhaan said: Injuries are part of the game, Kuldeep is good 4-5 kph faster than Arshadeep on average Arshadeep growing?IPL hype(most of the times false) has nothing to do with international cricket Arshadeep like other trundlers is quite floaty too, don't confuse yourself with the inability of Pakistani batsmen against him, I'm not saying Kuldeep Sen now is better than Arshadeep as he has not played much,but I will also not say he won't be,because Arshadeep as a benchmark is too low Even a fit Tyagi with all the opportunity can be better than him Tyagi has impressed the few times I saw him. Tremendous athlete too. Not sold on Kuldeep but hope I am wrong. There is not even a debate if he is better than Arshdeep. Right now he isn’t even close in the opportunities that matter. Arshdeep isn’t the best thing slice bread but apples to apples it’s a no contest at this point. singhvivek141 and Suhaan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, maniac said: @Suhaan @singhvivek141 I usually don’t like players who get injured in the middle of the game from their own fitness. It’s different someone getting injured batting or fielding. No one likes that bhai, but we need to accept that "fast bowlers" will get injured more than trundlers. Bond, Lee, Akhtar, Tait, Steyn there are multiple examples...Cummins was 145+ when he debuted, now he stays around late 130's and early 140's. That's where we need to create a pool of fast bowlers, keeping all eggs in one basket isn't the right way. Suhaan and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, maniac said: Arshdeep isn’t the best thing slice bread but apples to apples it’s a no contest at this point. Arshdeep has a utility...he is a strictly T20 bowler and that's it. Longer the format, more he will struggle as his lack of pace will get exposed. Mosher and Suhaan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhaan Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, maniac said: sold on Kuldeep but hope I am wrong. There is not even a debate if he is better than Arshdeep. Right now he isn’t even close in the opportunities that matter. I was saying Kuldeep as bowler looks better for longer formats when you compare him with Arshdeep I would recommend you to watch his spells for MP,or recent Vijay Hazare Mosher, express bowling, maniac and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 @maniac 5fer by Kuldeep against Saurashtra in Irani Trophy...he was bowling alongside Mukesh Kumar and Umran and bowled well with old ball as well. He is tailor made for longer format as he has natural pace and bounce.https://www.bcci.tv/videos/5557604/irani-cup-2022-kuldeep-sen-stars-with-an-impressive-5-wicket-haul?tagNames=2022 Suhaan, maniac and express bowling 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosher Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) @maniac Arshdeep has great temperament under pressure and is turning out to be a very good T20 bowler. But as far as longer formats are concerned as already mentioned by Suhaan, Arshdeep looked pedestrian in odi's. He looks harmless when it stops swinging. Umran in comparison looked miles ahead in odi's. Coming to Kuldeep he is not just some 140 bowler. I have seen enough of him in domestic matches and he has the potential to become a good bowler for India in odi's and tests. T20's I need to see more of him to make a judgement. It's unfortunate that he got injured again. Some serious investigation needs to be done in NCA. They have messed up recoveries of too many players. Edited April 23, 2023 by Mosher singhvivek141, MK55, Suhaan and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 10 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: Bumrah lacks that bounce that Arshdeep can generate. On a good fast bouncy pitch he can be handful. But on docile surface due to height Arhsdeep extracts more bounce. What ! The first thing that Is noticeable about Bumrah is the steep bounce that he gets and how high and hard he hits the bat. Bumrah has a high arm action and longer than usual arms ... and despite being 5'11" or 5'10", he gets bounce like a 6'1" type pacer. Arshdeep gets bounce only with his bouncers, which are good. He does not hit the deck hard while bowling length balls and does not get as much bounce with length balls as he could have got due to his height. Suhaan, Mosher, Jamadagni and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Waste of space In odi and useless for tests. Good for t20 4 overs game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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