How much did lack of 4 seamer hurt India?

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Last time Ash played over Jaddu was in NZ,but then we used to play 7 bats

 

Shardul's numbers are more of a no. 9.You need 25 average in FC.Or he has to make it as a bowler first only

 

Shardul has improved as a batsman in the recent past. His overall FC numbers wont reflect his current batting potential. He can definitely be a No.8 now.

 

But he is not good enough as a " top 3 pacer ". Can only be a 4th pacer.

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

We do.

 

Vijay Shankar has done well on away A tours and has a good FC average.

 

Can bat at No.7 on seaming tracks and bowl seam up.

 

He is tall, gets bounce and can swing the ball too.

He has one of the most solid techniques in indian cricket. We all saw how annoying CDGH bowling was for our batsman . Shankar non selection in indian setup specially for NZ n Eng tours is nothing short of blunder

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 hours ago, Lord said:

 

I am more interested in bowling numbers

 

He bowls at 125k

In england condition his type of bowling is super annoying. Cdgh is a similar case , and nz have used him really well till now. His numbers are very decent actually. Pace is overrated in a place like england. In these conditions even ganguly wud have been super handy and he was around 115k. He actually did a fine job on 2007 tour as 5th bowler 

[rollingstoned]

We will need some cushion and seam bowling options for a long tour, someone like Shankar would have made more sense than Axar patel who isn't really going to be playing much. I still wish/hope one of Bhuvi or Chahar are flown into England just for this series after putting them through their paces and ensuring they are upto the task of bowling 20-25 overs in a day.

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, R!TTER said:

The other seamer can also go off colour, it's not as cut & dry as you're making it out to be! Also no amount of handwringing will take away from the fact that JB did India in, you think any other pacer could make up for his BS performance this test?

You give yourself the best chance to take wickets quickly and play bowling combination depending on conditions.a

[rkt.india]

I would have played 4 seamers and Jadeja. No Ashwin.

[Lord]

5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

In england condition his type of bowling is super annoying. Cdgh is a similar case , and nz have used him really well till now. His numbers are very decent actually. Pace is overrated in a place like england. In these conditions even ganguly wud have been super handy and he was around 115k. He actually did a fine job on 2007 tour as 5th bowler 

 

CDGH is wicketless even in these conditions.He bowled some half volleys too which we didnt capitalize on.

 

Ashwin picked 2

 

Ganguly bowled total 28 overs total in 3 games. That's not an AR. Ideally someone from top 6 should be able to do it

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

CDGH is wicketless even in these conditions.He bowled some half volleys too which we didnt capitalize on.

 

If u see his spell to kohli, he had him in all sought of trouble. He cud have had his wkt

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

Ashwin picked 2

 

Ashwin is a proper bowler , why wud u compare a spinner to a 125k bowler

 

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

Ganguly bowled total 28 overs total in 3 games. That's not an AR. Ideally someone from top 6 should be able to do it

5th bowler 1st job is to keep it tight.

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

If u see his spell to kohli, he had him in all sought of trouble. He cud have had his wkt

 

Ashwin is a proper bowler , why wud u compare a spinner to a 125k bowler

 

5th bowler 1st job is to keep it tight.

 

1. He got swing but was negotiated due to lack of pace.Conditions were excessively in his favour.Normally he wouldn't get so much swing

 

2. Because it's Ashwin's spot we are talking about.We don't have a Kyle Jamieson otherwise would have played him.

 

3. Even spinners can keep it tight if that's the primary job.And keep pacers fresh.and then be more active in 4th 5th day

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

 

1. He got swing but was negotiated due to lack of pace.Conditions were excessively in his favour.Normally he wouldn't get so much swing

 

Just wasnt lucky to get an edge . A lot of times he squared up kohli 

Pace is overrated in england.....even if u watch their domestic trundlers rule. It isnt a slow spinner that lack of pace makes it negotiable. These guys have way more control and 125k is enough when it jags around

 

1 minute ago, Lord said:

2. Because it's Ashwin's spot we are talking about.We don't have a Kyle Jamieson otherwise would have played him.

 

Ashwin spot shudnt be even talked about n neither wud shankar threat his spot. 

 

If someone like shankar or pandya has to come it ll be for jadeja for me 

 

1 minute ago, Lord said:

3. Even spinners can keep it tight if that's the primary job.And keep pacers fresh.and then be more active in 4th 5th day

Ill always play ashwin unless its a green mamba, he is an attacking spinner n ill always have it. 

Yes spinner can keep it tight but ull always go for someone who has a chance of taking wkt.  In england Nz kind of places guys like CDGH can be very handy

 

[Lord]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Just wasnt lucky to get an edge . A lot of times he squared up kohli 

Pace is overrated in england.....even if u watch their domestic trundlers rule. It isnt a slow spinner that lack of pace makes it negotiable. These guys have way more control and 125k is enough when it jags around

 

 

Ashwin spot shudnt be even talked about n neither wud shankar threat his spot. 

 

If someone like shankar or pandya has to come it ll be for jadeja for me 

 

Ill always play ashwin unless its a green mamba, he is an attacking spinner n ill always have it. 

Yes spinner can keep it tight but ull always go for someone who has a chance of taking wkt.  In england Nz kind of pl

aces guys like CDGH can be very handy

 

 

1. Even if he got an edge,at that pace it doesn't carry if you play with soft hands.Tough to attack but should be defendable for intl batsmen.England also dont play 125 k bowlers unless they can bat in top 6

 

2. Jadeja's performance have been equal to specialist batsman.He is world's no. 1 AR and is  core member of team.Shankar etc would have to match his batting first.

 

3. Agree about Ashwin. Our options are Thakur and Shankar who arent great in any department.If it isnt a greentop it'll help spinners on 4th 5th day too.

 

P.S. How do you break up my quotes

Edited June 23, 2021 by Lord

[Trichromatic]

Pujara scored 23 runs. Would have been better if Thakur was played over him.

[putrevus]

Playing allrounder just for the sake of it serves no purpose. Guys like Shankar should not evn come close to Indian team .he adds no value. When guy like  Pandya is useless what is point in having Shankar.This guy  Shankar averages 50 plus in FC with ball and is no spring chicken has taken 40 odd wickets and score 2 FC100s. People want him to play test cricket.

 

Jadeja or Ashwin can do better job than these so called allrounders on any wicket. 

 

Edited June 23, 2021 by putrevus