How much did lack of 4 seamer hurt India?

[Lord]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

In these conditions 3 pacers + 1 pacer allrounder + 1 spinner allrounder is ideal.

 

3 pacers was enough if Bumrah got 1 or 2

 

If this was a normal 5 day game,4th innings chase will be crucial and you need 2 spinners as NZ are poor v spin.Pitch will have rough unless its a greentop

 

Also Ashwin is a better bat than Thakur

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

People don't realize how much pressure 217 puts on bowlers. It is a miracle that Indian bowlers dragged this team back into the match.

 

And 217 is also the reason why our pacers were sceptical about bowling a bit fuller.

 

Fuller bowling can get wickets but can also leak runs ... and our pacers did not have that cushion in such a crucial match.

[rollingstoned]

We are actually lucky that the lack of an extra seam bowling option didn't cost us more. It was exacerbated by the lack of match fitness all of them have. That selection decision they came to would have made more sense only if we had sunny conditions for 5 days and a dry pitch. Even then for a 100+ overs it would have asked a lot of our fast bowlers. 

[putrevus]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

The only 4th pacer option we had in this squad was Shardul, as he can bat at 8.

That was never happening in crunch match.He played as a third seamer that too due to injuries. he certainly does not have ability to keep a lid on run rate which was needed the most on this wicket.Jadeja is more certain with bat than Thakur, India need more batting given its weak batting.

 

Expecting Thakur to repeat Gabba's performance is the biggest mistake.Just like Gill might not play an innings like Gabba  anytime soon.

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

And 217 is also the reason why our pacers were sceptical about bowling a bit fuller.

 

Fuller bowling can get wickets but can also leak runs ... and our pacers did not have that cushion in such a crucial match.

How is playing extra seamer going to help 217? It would have been much lower total. As is they huffed and puffed to reach 217.

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

3 pacers was enough if Bumrah got 1 or 2

 

In every innings, there is a significsnt chance of one of the pacers not picking sufficient wickets.  Happens all the time.

 

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

If this was a normal 5 day game,4th innings chase will be crucial and you need 2 spinners as NZ are poor v spin.Pitch will have rough unless its a greentop

 

 

We rarely play 2 spinners in SENA these days.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Also Ashwin is a better bat than Thakur

 

Barring the 100 vs England earlier this year, Ashwin has been out of form with the bat in the last 3 or 4 years.

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How is playing extra seamer going to help 217? It would have been much lower total. As is they huffed and puffed to reach 217.

 

 

Was not talking about 4th pacer in that post ... but the reason why our pacers bowled a tad shorter than what commentators wanted.

 

It is not easy to bowl on the fuller side if the run cushion is thin.

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

 

 

 

We rarely play 2 spinners in SENA these days.

 

 

 

 

They played Jadeja more for his batting and to bowl 8 to 10 overs. Ashwin with what he has done recently in Australia and number of lefties in NZ was a must on this wicket.

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

That was never happening in crunch match.He played as a third seamer that too due to injuries.

 

No, Shardul was the 3rd pacer and Nattu was the 4th choice.

 

6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Expecting Thakur to repeat Gabba's performance is the biggest mistake.Just like Gill might not play an innings like Gabba  anytime soon.

 

Does not matter whether he can repeat Gsbba's performance or not. He just needed to bowl decently and hang in with the bat for some time.

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Was not talking about 4th pacer in that post ... but the reason why our pacers bowled a tad shorter than what commentators wanted.

 

It is not easy to bowl on the fuller side if the run cushion is thin.

You wanted 5 batsmen plus Pant plus 1 fast bowling allrounder plus three fast bowlers. Who are they dropping from this eleven.

[Lord]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

In every innings, there is a significsnt chance of one of the pacers not picking sufficient wickets.  Happens all the time.

 

 

 

We rarely play 2 spinners in SENA these days.

 

 

 

Barring the 100 vs England earlier this year, Ashwin has been out of form with the bat in the last 3 or 4 years.

 

1. I am just asking for 1-2 wickets.It's rare for top pacer to go wicketless

 

2.We played 2 in MCG and SCG. Before that we played 7 bats.Except Gabba,last time we played 4 seamers is when Pandya was in the team.He's not bowling now.

 

3. Ashwin also did well in Aus and has shown enough ability to be rated above Thakur.Even here he scored an important 22

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, putrevus said:

You wanted 5 batsmen plus Pant plus 1 fast bowling allrounder plus three fast bowlers. Who are they dropping from this eleven.

 

One of the spinners.

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

 

2.We played 2 in MCG and SCG

 

SCG is spin friendly. The conditions were nothing like this match.

 

5 minutes ago, Lord said:

. Before that we played 7 bats.Except Gabba,last time we played 4 seamers is when Pandya was in the team.He's not bowling now.

 

We need a non-Pandya pacer-allrounder.

 

 

 

[putrevus]

15 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

One of the spinners.

Which one that is the big question.Both of them bring so much to the table.It is easy to say drop one spinner from already weak batting lineup.Thakur is not even an option.

Edited June 22, 2021 by putrevus

[putrevus]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

SCG is spin friendly. The conditions were nothing like this match.

 

 

We need a non-Pandya pacer-allrounder.

 

 

 

We don't have non Pandya pacer allrounder. If there is one he would be first name on this team for this tour. 

[Lord]

Thakur averages 16 in FC without a ton

 

What he did in Gabba was most likely an anomaly

 

He's not an AR,just a bowler who can bat a bit

[neel roy]

17 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

SCG is spin friendly. The conditions were nothing like this match.

 

 

We need a non-Pandya pacer-allrounder.

 

 

 

Actually Pandya would have been handful in these conditions.. he took a fifer in conditions much better than these were kohli scored a century and 97 in trentbridge

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, Lord said:

Thakur averages 16 in FC without a ton

 

What he did in Gabba was most likely an anomaly

 

He's not an AR,just a bowler who can bat a bit

 

 

At No.8, such a player can be tried.

 

He can't be a No.7

[express bowling]

Just now, neel roy said:

Actually Pandya would have been handful in these conditions.. he took a fifer in conditions much better than these were kohli scored a century and 97 in trentbridge

 

Yes.

 

But he is not fit to bowl.

[vvvslaxman]

Indian bowlers were tired (both are already old). They were all over the shop against tail. With Bumrah bowling filth, India gave 50 runs more than they should have.