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1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Hoax?

Not really. A collegue of mine (Chinese US citizen) who went to visit family in China, came back to work in US. In his US mail, he got a citation and a traffic ticket from China for jay-walking. The camera caught him, recognized him through facial recognition across multiple databases (this one from immigration) , found out his US address and mailed him the ticket. I don't know how legal it is. Next time he visits, he might be caught at immigration based on citiation.

 

Also, I had seen public shaming of loan defaulters with their photos posted on malls and cinema halls. I don't know how it serves when everybody looks alike :vroam:

 

On the contrary, the social credit system is already in place in US.

 

1. Credit score - With your fianncial transactions on record, each person gets a credit score and interest rates are set by banks based on a 740+ credit score. It is legally binding, you can't sue the bank for following it, even if the credit reporting made a mistake of calling one of the paid debts as defaulted!

 

2. Uber/Lyft Apps keep customer ratings and bad customers can be rejected by drivers.

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28 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

saala paywall.  


 

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I have to admit that I didn’t quite get it right when, 12 days ago, I wrote: ‘There is a model for what will be coming our way if we do not resist vaccination passports and electronic ID cards: China’s social credit system, which blacklists people for numerous antisocial offences, from crossing the street on a red light to failing to sort their recycling, and uses the information to deny them the right, for example, to buy rail and airline tickets.’

I had in mind that it would take two to five years for a vaccination passport scheme to morph into a Chinese-style social credit system. In fact, it took two weeks. This morning it was reported that the government is planning to introduce a health app in January which will monitor our shopping, our exercise levels, or intake of fruit and vegetables – and reward us with virtue points which we can exchange for discounts, free tickets (to what kind of event is not clear) and other goodies. Capita and Serco – the usual beneficiaries of demented government schemes – are reported to be bidding for the chance to run it.

Let’s leave aside the rather obvious possibilities for fraud: just think how many virtue points you could accumulate by persuading someone else to take your phone jogging with them while you tuck into takeaway pizza which you bought with means other than your smartphone – you could enjoy your junk food and get a free pass to the all-in wrestling to boot. Just because someone has bought some kind of drink or foodstuff doesn’t mean they are going to consume it – even teetotallers can stock up on wine and beer if they are throwing a party. 

But more to the point, do we seriously want to be monitored like pieces of an industrial plant? It won’t be long, of course, before employers started demanding that their employees use the app, and to see diet and exercise history before giving someone a job. Just as clubs, and quite possibly pubs and restaurants, will be obliged to check our vaccination status before letting us in, next they will find themselves forced to check our dietary history before selling us a burger and milkshake. And of course, the NHS will be expected to use the app for rationing healthcare. Don’t expect to be offered a hip operation until you have proved that you are leading a healthy lifestyle. 

There will be no end to this kind of thing if we agree to use this app. Just look how we were fooled with CCTV cameras. If we can be said to have consented to their use at all it was on the basis that they might be used to solve serious crime. Yet look at them now: programmed to issue fines systematically for the most minor of offences, like straying into a bus lane for a few yards, getting caught in a box junction, accidentally dropping a few crumbs as you eat your lunch on a city centre bench. It is always the same with surveillance: give authorities an inch and mission creep sets in at once. 

There is only one way we can avoid vaccination passports and health apps from developing into nightmarish constant surveillance of our lives – and that is to reject them now. Don’t download any app the government is trying to push at you, boycott any venue whose entry is dependent on you supplying personal information on a smartphone. It is absolutely certain that if we do consent to these things, then sooner rather than later, we will end up with a spy in our pockets ready to ‘ping’ us and admonish us should we fancy a doughnut.

 

 

This is what he wrote a couple of weeks ago. Also worth a read.

rkt.india Grand Master

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16 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Not really. A collegue of mine (Chinese US citizen) who went to visit family in China, came back to work in US. In his US mail, he got a citation and a traffic ticket from China for jay-walking. The camera caught him, recognized him through facial recognition across multiple databases (this one from immigration) , found out his US address and mailed him the ticket. I don't know how legal it is. Next time he visits, he might be caught at immigration based on citiation.

 

Also, I had seen public shaming of loan defaulters with their photos posted on malls and cinema halls. I don't know how it serves when everybody looks alike :vroam:

 

On the contrary, the social credit system is already in place in US.

 

1. Credit score - With your fianncial transactions on record, each person gets a credit score and interest rates are set by banks based on a 740+ credit score. It is legally binding, you can't sue the bank for following it, even if the credit reporting made a mistake of calling one of the paid debts as defaulted!

 

2. Uber/Lyft Apps keep customer ratings and bad customers can be rejected by drivers.

Credit score is a different thing than this social behaviour rating system. Credit score is maintained in India too by different agencies based on their credit payments. Here it is called CIBIl score. CIBIl is one of the agencies to keep track of the loans and the payments. All that information is sent by banks to these agencies.

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1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Credit score is a different thing than this social behaviour rating system. Credit score is maintained in India too by different agencies based on their credit payments. Here it is called CIBIl score. CIBIl is one of the agencies to keep track of the loans and the payments. All that information is sent by banks to these agencies.

Yep.  It's different when govt does it vs when private parties do it.  In theory one can choose not to use credit cards or Uber/Lyft (I have never used Uber or Lyft!), but with govt, you have no choice.

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