Away stats of Fab Four vs top nations - SENAI

[Vijy]

10 hours ago, Majestic said:

What are the other options then? Top 3 is clear but 4 and 5 in tests??

none really. if pant becomes a bit more consistent, he has the potential to do well in most places ( barring NZ/eng).

[Majestic]

10 minutes ago, Vijy said:

none really. if pant becomes a bit more consistent, he has the potential to do well in most places ( barring NZ/eng).

Again a condition specific batsman.

[Vijy]

Just now, Majestic said:

Again a condition specific batsman.

NZ/Eng is only one type of conditions. SA is diff, Aus is diff, WI is diff, and SC is diff. I think Pant can do well on all these. Having one chink in the armor does not make someone conditions-specific.

[Majestic]

This KL Rahul is the biggest ****. He is among the few all conditions- bat India have and even in the world there aren't many but the guy is sitting with a 35 test average like a loser. You would think this guy is technically proficient to the level of Root, Kohli, Williamson and Babar but he is well behind.

Edited June 5, 2022 by Majestic

[Vijy]

Just now, Majestic said:

This KL Rahul is the biggest ****. He is among the few all conditions- bat India have and even in the world there aren't many but the guy is sitting with a 35 test average like a loser. You would think this guy is technically proficient to the level of Root, Kohli, Williamson and Babar but he is well behind.

he is marginally worse than jadeja, which is a true reflection in some ways of how mediocre he is. good thing that kapil criticized him strongly:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/kapil-dev-slams-rohit-sharma-virat-kohli-kl-rahul-when-you-need-them-to-score-runs-they-all-get-out-101654424727892.html

[Majestic]

Root's failure in Australia is the one thing that goes against him and hence you cannot put him in league of Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting. Actually Ponting is a bit overrated too, don't know why Kallis isn't rated higher than him as batsman solely. Kallis has done well in most places and having played in South Africa, he averages higher than Ponting (55 to 52) and doesn't have a shitty series like Ponting had in India that too over a large sample.

 

Edited June 5, 2022 by Majestic

[sage]

4 hours ago, Jay said:

2000-2011 era was a bloody joke in tests. Ultra flat trashy wickets. No No ball umpiring. Even drs was sparingly used. Overrated inflated stats of most batsmen. All of them. Aussies Indians pommies all took advantage of thos3 shitty flat patta pitches. 

 

I have no doubt all those greats would have struggled a lot post 2014 when pitches became more even for both bat and ball. If tenda and kalis averaged 55. In this era I doubt either averages more than 50. 

 

Let's not forget tendus special vs Kiwis in his prime back in 1999. Those 99 and 120 all out type games. He was the master of scoring shitty runs in a losing cause. 

 

Can you imagine fab 4 facing goat Asian attack I.e. India of 2015-now on current pitches lol? With drs etc. 

 

Dravid had serious problems vs bounce and pace. Ganguly was dog **** vs pace and bounce. 

 

As if those 4 would do any better vs Kiwis in n.z on those ultras swing friendly pitches. We got shut down by Simon *ing doull of all.people back in late 90s.

Tendulkar averaged 58 in the 90s when only four or five other players averaged 50+

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, Majestic said:

This KL Rahul is the biggest ****. He is among the few all conditions- bat India have and even in the world there aren't many but the guy is sitting with a 35 test average like a loser. You would think this guy is technically proficient to the level of Root, Kohli, Williamson and Babar but he is well behind.

 

No He is not technically good. He looks stylish. Will give him that. But his defense has a lot of holes.

[R!TTER]

6 hours ago, Majestic said:

Kallis has done well in most places and having played in South Africa

Kallis has a poor record in Eng, SL(?) & against Oz till 2007/08 - pretty sure his inflated stats post retire of McWarne put a huge dampener on his reputation!

[Jay]

17 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

At one point he was in with a chance to break Moyo's record.

Only flaw. Failure vs arch rival aussies

Edited June 6, 2022 by Jay

[Jay]

Y'all forgetting one player abd. He is better than kohli and on par with root. 

51 average in Aussie land

45 in India

116 vs parkies

43 vs england 

42 in n.z

[Stan AF]

 

Root's journey to the milestone has had its share of ups and downs, as is inevitable in a Test career which has lasted almost 10 years.

 

Through the first five years of his career, he averaged a terrific 52.45, after 64 Tests. Then came the inevitable slump, as his average dropped to 39.70 over the next three years.

 

 In 33 Tests during that period, he managed only four hundreds; in fact, 2020 remains the only calendar year when he hasn't scored a century despite playing more than one Test.

Since 2021, though, the floodgates have opened again - 2192 runs in the last 21 Tests at 56.20.

 

This, despite an underwhelming Ashes series in 2021-22, when he averaged only 32.20 in 10 innings. Even more impressive is his rate of scoring hundreds: nine in these 21 matches, which is an average of one every 2.3 Tests compared to his career average of one every 4.5.

 

 Among these four, Root has the lowest average (though he is fast catching up with Kohli).   However, Root's overseas average of 46.47 is second among these four, next only to Steven Smith's 57.06. Both Williamson (43.76) and Kohli (42.81) have poorer records when playing away from home.

 

However, the home numbers for Root pale when compared to those of the other three: he averages 52.93, while the other three average more than 60.

 

Currently on 10,015 runs, Root is in 14th position in terms of overall Test aggregate, but he is on top among active players.

 

The gap between him and Sachin Tendulkar is *5906 runs, which, given Root's average of around 1000 runs per year, is roughly six years worth of Test cricket.*   Considering Root's current form and the fact that he has recently been freed from the burden of captaincy, it is entirely possible that he makes a strong push for Tendulkar's record in the years to come.

 

Source: Cricinfo

[vvvslaxman]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

Y'all forgetting one player abd. He is better than kohli and on par with root. 

51 average in Aussie land

45 in India

116 vs parkies

43 vs england 

42 in n.z

 

AB was not clubbed with this group because he made debut in the mid 2000s while these guys were under-19 players.

[Suhaan]

21 hours ago, Vijy said:

he is marginally worse than jadeja, which is a true reflection in some ways of how mediocre he is. good thing that kapil criticized him strongly:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/kapil-dev-slams-rohit-sharma-virat-kohli-kl-rahul-when-you-need-them-to-score-runs-they-all-get-out-101654424727892.html

Absolutely hit the nail,this by Kapil Dev

[Nikola]

6 hours ago, Jay said:

Y'all forgetting one player abd. He is better than kohli and on par with root. 

51 average in Aussie land

45 in India

116 vs parkies

43 vs england 

42 in n.z

 

Didn't he ran away from tough england tour and went on to play random t20 tournament around 2016/17? Missed even australia's tour then. Did nothing much on india tour as well year before.

 

One thing that goes in his favor is he played peak johnson on toughest pitches. Ab has to be the only batsman who played him consistently in that 2 series where he bowled at his best.

Edited June 6, 2022 by Nikola

[Majestic]

AB was amazing bat but just not motivational enough especially after 2015 World Cup.

 

This is a guy who can smack the likes of Bumrah, Archer, Holder and Malinga in death overs in limited overs and then go into a test match face a rampant Johnson or Cummins on a pitch with grass in it and play a counterattacking 90 odd.The failed test career of the likes of Buttler proves why a guy like ABD was so special. Never chased hundreds or stats, retired with about 9500 ODI runs and 8700 test runs.

 

He would always be demeaned for the way he ended his international career. That's what people remember very closely how you end it, all those years of part time keeping in tests that he did which did take a toll won't be remembered but what will be remembered is skipping test matches vs top teams. That goes against him.

 

 

Edited June 6, 2022 by Majestic

[Vijy]

18 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Absolutely hit the nail,this by Kapil Dev

yes, it was rightly said

[waga]

On 12/11/2021 at 2:40 PM, Jay said:

True. But Smith can decline badly? Wagner owned him last time. Ashwin bumrah siraj tamed him in BG series.

Is he declining badly?

 

 

It's hard to tell. He's been half found out in that he has the same weakness as everyone that when fast bowlers bowl into his armpit every ball he can only score very slowly and after getting to 40-90 eventually hits a bad shot. 

But 2014-2019 Smith was honestly probably only behind Bradman. Averaging 60 in England, 60 in Australia,  60 in India. nobody has ever just not had any holes in their batting. 

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, waga said:

It's hard to tell. He's been half found out in that he has the same weakness as everyone that when fast bowlers bowl into his armpit every ball he can only score very slowly and after getting to 40-90 eventually hits a bad shot. 

But 2014-2019 Smith was honestly probably only behind Bradman. Averaging 60 in England, 60 in Australia,  60 in India. nobody has ever just not had any holes in their batting. 

he was in god mode those few years. I don't think he will get close, but if he has an avg of 48-50 from now on until retirement, he will still finish as one of the GOATs

[Majestic]

2 hours ago, Vijy said:

he was in god mode those few years. I don't think he will get close, but if he has an avg of 48-50 from now on until retirement, he will still finish as one of the GOATs

I think his average in last two years has been around 40 or maybe lower. Let's see how he ends up. He is 33 year old now.