U19 World Cup Discussion

[rkt.india]

23 minutes ago, Vijy said:

yes, he was just a shade below 150 on his fastest ball. I remember thinking at that time that he could hit 155-156 kph as peak speed when he was in early or mid 20s. sadly, that will probably not come to pass given how his career has nosedived after injuries.

He lacks the physique. Will remain a 140-145k bowler.

[Vijy]

Just now, rkt.india said:

He lacks the physique. Will remain a 140-145k bowler.

doubtful if he will remain that due to injuries. will probably regress to sub-140 bowler.

[rkt.india]

20 minutes ago, Vijy said:

doubtful if he will remain that due to injuries. will probably regress to sub-140 bowler.

He hasn't had any serious injury in last two years. He is one of the most natural genuine quick we have ever produced, so, he will hit 140+ even on his bad days. Bowlers hitting 145+ at 18 are a rare commodity and he is still just 22ish.

Edited January 24, 2022 by rkt.india

[Jay]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

doubtful if he will remain that due to injuries. will probably regress to sub-140 bowler.

Don't worry dravid has promised him a spot when he trundles 

[Lone Wolf]

18 hours ago, Dery said:

Meanwhile 18 yo Cummins was bowling at 145kph while we are satisfied at 130-135 kph

Yeah roughed up peak Kallis of all people on Debut. Pattinson was also rapid in that series 

[express bowling]

In the days of rare speed gun usage (  till 1998 )  pacers used to be classified as Fast Bowlers and Swing Bowlers, based on their bowling styles, hurrying abity and hostility. 

 

Fast Bowlers were those who used to hit the deck hard and got bounce when needed and / or got a lot of zip off the deck and made the balls fly.

 

Swing bowlers were those who just released the ball and were floaty in nature. Could not make the ball fly or could not get steep bounce.

 

Hangargekar is a Fast Bowler by this definition. (  So are Senior team pacers like Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Prasidh, Umesh or upcoming pacers like Umran or Tyagi. )

 

While Ravi Kumar is NOT a Fast Bowler yet.

 

Speed Gun readings may or may not be correct, but irrespective of exact release speeds, it is the hurrying ability and hostility, derived from zip off the deck and bounce, which matters the most.

 

 

Edited January 24, 2022 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

8 minutes ago, express bowling said:

In the days of rare speed gun usage (  till 1998 )  pacers used to be classified into Fast Bowlers and Swing Bowlers, based on their bowling styles, hurrying abity and hostility. 

 

Fast Bowlers were those who used to hit the deck hard and got bounce when needed and / or got a lot of zip off the deck and made the balls fly.

 

Swing bowlers were those who just released the ball and were floaty in nature. Could not make the ball fly or could not get steep bounce.

 

Hangargekar is a Fast Bowler by this definition. (  So are Senior team pacers like Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Prasidh, Umesh or upcoming pacers like Umran or Tyagi. )

 

While Ravi Kumar is NOT a Fast Bowler yet.

 

Speed Gun readings may or may not be correct, but irrespective of exact release speeds, it is the hurrying ability and hostility, derived from zip off the deck and bounce, which matters the most.

 

 

Watching them both Ravi Kumar and Hangargekar without speed guns, no one would believe Ravi Kumar hit fastest 136 and Hangargekar 138. It's just common sense. Both looks far apart in pace.

[Suhaan]

9 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

While Ravi Kumar is NOT a Fast Bowler yet.

 

Because he is Kumar,

Kumar's have been defined as gentel floaty trundlers with fake swing

If you put Kumar here,

Shoaib Kumar Akhter all sting is lost he looks no different to Boobi,Vinay,Praveen etc

Just say "Brett Kumar" in your heart and see the change, believe me

 

Edited January 24, 2022 by Suhaan

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Watching them both Ravi Kumar and Hangargekar without speed guns, no one would believe Ravi Kumar hit fastest 136 and Hangargekar 138. It's just common sense. Both looks far apart in pace.

 

 

Which is why, increasingly, I am thinking of following the OLD style of pace bowler classification.

 

In Senior cricket yesterday, Prasidh clocked just 132 k to 142 k  ... but the zip and steep bounce he got, and the hostility he produced, was way more than many 138 k to 148 k spells by many other pacers. 

 

The zip, the flying ball and the bounce is what we should start following. Hangargekar ticks all those boxes. And the only pacer to do so in this U19 batch.

 

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

 

Kumar's have been defined as gentel floaty trundlers with fake swing

 

 

These 2 words take the cake for me.  

[Suhaan]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

These 2 words take the cake for me.  

This devine thing is only visible to sages like M Kartik,Harsha Bhogle,Gavaskar,VVS,Sri Chetan Sharma and Cricbuzz crew(missed few names)etc

We mortals are jaahil we only see lowly things such as rapid pace bounce

Edited January 24, 2022 by Suhaan

[Suhaan]

3 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Have seen little of Bawa bowling. Isn't he 135 plus himself? He looked tall enough as well.

 

BTW, anyone noticed Hangar's quads in the video above? Like a wrestler.

 

 

Bawa is impressive,game against Ireland he bowled some very good yorkers

[Dery]

Watched the replays still looks 130-135 kph Hangargekar that is

Edited January 24, 2022 by Dery

[Suhaan]

21 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

 

That's it. Now we need to figure which one of Bawa and Hangar is Kluesner and which one is Pollock.

Bawa came up against Uganda,there we used to these things against sides like SL,SA,Pak by promoting Pathan,Dhoni, Yuvraj this is how their game awareness was built,fine tuning their batting was taken care of using these tactics

On topic,But Hangarekar has only got opportunity down the order, honestly didn't see Bawa bat ,maybe he was little more technical

Hangerakar comes across a good hitter who we need at 7/8

[Jay]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

Because he is Kumar,

Kumar's have been defined as gentel floaty trundlers with fake swing

If you put Kumar here,

Shoaib Kumar Akhter all sting is lost he looks no different to Boobi,Vinay,Praveen etc

Just say "Brett Kumar" in your heart and see the change, believe me

 

Omg. This is the funniest **** I have ever heard in cricket for a long time. Lmao. 

[express bowling]

46 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Have seen little of Bawa bowling. Isn't he 135 plus himself? He looked tall enough as well.

 

 

 

 

Bawa is probably a two paced bowler till now.

 

His full balls and yorkers look sharp.

 

But his length balls don't really get that zip. 

 

Gets some bounce from time to time ... sometimes sharp bounce and sometimes loopy bounce.

[Sgattick10]

There was this another fast bowler along with Cummins, Pattinson? Whatever happened to him, he was equally quick no? 

[ShoonyaSifar]

4 minutes ago, Sgattick10 said:

There was this another fast bowler along with Cummins, Pattinson? Whatever happened to him, he was equally quick no? 

 Injuries detailed him. He recently retired from international cricket

[rkt.india]

6 hours ago, Dery said:

Watched the replays still looks 130-135 kph Hangargekar that is

Ok

[ABDfan]

7 hours ago, Dery said:

Watched the replays still looks 130-135 kph Hangargekar that is

Agreed