Mayank Vs Shreyas Iyer for Backup no.4 slot in ODI

[Suhaan]

54 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Yeah it's weird to see how he easily gets injured..  Only young batsman  I can think who can match him in getting frequently injured is Will Pucvoski.  He is undisputed King of freak injuries.  

Kela too used to be injury prone,his progress got hurt since then

He had a great test series against visiting Aussies in 2017

That was the best i saw from him

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, Jay said:

sarfraz, vihari (scored an unbeaten 40 odd in a tough situation), gill (injured), eeshwaran all did well vs S.africa A team. That team had jansen who got smacked around a bit by these guys too. 

 

You pick players who do well in A tours. give them a chance especially where your seniors are duds. 

batting in s.africa isnt difficult if you have a good backfoot game. we lost because of **** batting. strokeless wonders getting favourable selection calls over deserving batsmen. ofcourse injuries dint help. rohit, gill, sundar, jadeja etc. not to mention some A tour guys would have been handy. no need for ashwin who is uesless in SEN.

could have gone with chahar at 8 and thakur at 7. all out pace. 

their is massive gap in A tours n international ...manish pandey was a legend of A games

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Except Iyer always played in the middle overs. Mayank never played in the middle order. Too many unknown variables. In NZ Agarwal was an epic flop.  Iyer scored 3 back to back fifties They have played 5 innings together.  Iyer comfortably outperformed Agarwal. For all the negatives Agarwal oscillates between a dominating batsman and utterly mediocre batsman. Nothing in between.

 

 

 

Agarwal flopped at open and iyer scored in middle but watch the games NZ bowled to his strength now everyone knws his weakness which is why he has failed in Aus n SA. Remember even   rayudu scored a 90 in NZ coz nz didnt have lockie that day 

Thats shudnt be even compared coz two batted at diff slots

 

Mayank is best player of spin , he shud have no problem n as far as gaps goes these days it only 4 fielders n clearing grounds isnt a problem nowdays 

Iyer goes from mediocre to medicore (he isnt even attacking enough)

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

One more thing. Mayank was given a work over with short stuffs in Australia. He had no clue very much like Iyer. He missed a match because he was hit on the head by Siraj's bouncer. Got hit by NOrtje's bouncer on the head.  India should try someone like Shubman Gill in the long run. He is actually quiet good against spin.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

One more thing. Mayank was given a work over with short stuffs in Australia. He had no clue very much like Iyer. He missed a match because he was hit on the head by Siraj's bouncer. Got hit by NOrtje's bouncer on the head.  India should try someone like Shubman Gill in the long run. He is actually quiet good against spin.

mayank is a much better player of short ball then iyer actually (not great but better then iyer)

gill obv is more high quality batsman then both and plays spin well to but his game isnt developed at that point + attacking game uska bhi itna strong nhin 

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Agarwal flopped at open and iyer scored in middle but watch the games NZ bowled to his strength now everyone knws his weakness which is why he has failed in Aus n SA. Remember even   rayudu scored a 90 in NZ coz nz didnt have lockie that day 

Thats shudnt be even compared coz two batted at diff slots

 

Mayank is best player of spin , he shud have no problem n as far as gaps goes these days it only 4 fielders n clearing grounds isnt a problem nowdays 

Iyer goes from mediocre to medicore (he isnt even attacking enough)

 

 

 

It doesn't matter, he failed in his familiar position. In one dayers if anything opening is supposed to be easier given that you can go at your own pace. No need of slamming bowlers from the word go.  If he can't do his job in his familiar position what is the guarantee he will do well in the middle order. Besides we assume he exclusively will face spinners. And also Iyer can be a monster against spin as well. More lethal than Agarwal can be.  He doesn't have top gear like KL Rahul has. He will be like another Manish Pandey who is a better player against pace in the end overs than Agarwal can be.

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

mayank is a much better player of short ball then iyer actually (not great but better then iyer)

gill obv is more high quality batsman then both and plays spin well to but his game isnt developed at that point + attacking game uska bhi itna strong nhin 

 

Time has gone.  Playing as opener all his life right? At the age of 30 converting him into a middle order finisher is a futile exercise given how many times he has flattered to deceive. Just continue with Iyer and eventually find a younger guy to replace him in the long run.  We don't want the whole Rayudu experiment again. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

It doesn't matter, he failed in his familiar position. In one dayers if anything opening is supposed to be easier given that you can go at your own pace.

 

 

It depends what suits u 

how were in they in similar position>?? In NZ opening will still have issues even in white ball whereas it always gets easy in middle 

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

No need of slamming bowlers from the word go.  If he can't do his job in his familiar position what is the guarantee he will do well in the middle order. Besides we assume he exclusively will face spinners. And also Iyer can be a monster against spin as well. More lethal than Agarwal can be.  He doesn't have top gear like KL Rahul has. He will be like another Manish Pandey who is a better player against pace in the end overs than Agarwal can be.

iyer also has problem against quick wrist spin, laxman did a whole segement on it in a pre show showing his dismissal against 90kmph+ balls where he lost his bat shape n got out 

so against spin mayank is miles ahead 

 

top gear, his top gear has been better then iyer 

Manish pandey was terrible player of spin , 2nd after rahane in india how will he be same ?

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

Time has gone.  Playing as opener all his life right? At the age of 30 converting him into a middle order finisher is a futile exercise given how many times he has flattered to deceive. Just continue with Iyer and eventually find a younger guy to replace him in the long run.  We don't want the whole Rayudu experiment again. 

whats the probelm in 30 age, 28-33 is said to be peak of every player specially batsman 

Probelm can be for a guy like rahane who struggles against spin not mayank who plays spin better then pace

 

[Jay]

14 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

where is this mentally tough came from ?? pant has performed in more pressure games then iyer so how come iyer is called mentally tough

nha iyer has always showed some mental strength. he doesnt get flustered easy. his body language is on point. he played some good knocks vs kiwis post WC under pressure. 

pant ? where did pant come from? pant is beyond iyer. pant is literally our best ever keeper and the greatest keeper ever from asia. 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

whats the probelm in 30 age, 28-33 is said to be peak of every player specially batsman 

Probelm can be for a guy like rahane who struggles against spin not mayank who plays spin better then pace

 

 

I don't think he is at his peak for one thing. Another thing the role is completely different. He has never played that role in his life. Suddenly pushing him down the order and expecting him to do well is not ideal when we have far too many young batsmen we can use.

[Jay]

15 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

their is massive gap in A tours n international ...manish pandey was a legend of A games

not really. most players who do well in A generally do well in international too. not everyone is a pandey. siraj came from A tours. gill did well in A tours. 

standard isnt much different. siraj destroyed labushagne in A tours. He then did just as well in International games too. 

[vvvslaxman]

For what its worth this is not a move they will entertain.  SKY and Iyer will occupy these spots. Once ROhit is back. Rohit/Dhawan/Kohli/Iyer or Sky/Rahul/Pant. With guys like Kishan/Shaw/Gill waiting in the wings ship has sailed for Agarwal. He should first establish his place in the Test side first.

[Adamant]

4 hours ago, SRT100 said:

 

We should be playing both of these guys, why does Kohli need to play in a mindless insignificant bilateral series vs WI and SL?????

To regain his form?

[Vijy]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

How about no kohli at all? 

Rahul if he doesn't want to play at 5, he can go f himself tbh.

Dud cannon prick can't open. He never should be opening in any format. I don't care how well he fluked a big innings score in one bloody innings back in England. Dude can't open. He csnt play moving ball. 

 

Pant at 3

Mayank at 4

KL at 5

Pandu at 6 

Thakur at 7

Axar at 8

Bishnoi

Chuckrah

Siraj

 

1. shaw

2. pant/kishan (wk)

3. Gill/Gaekwad --> in the interim, rohit can drop himself down to #3 and anchor as captain

4. Gaekwad/Iyer/Mayank

5. KL/SKY

6. Pandu/Jaddu/Sundar --> Pandu only if he gives 3-4 overs min

7. thakur/deepak

8. axar

9. markande/bishnoi/chahar

10. bumrah/hangu

11. prasidh/siraj

 

[Vijy]

5 hours ago, SRT100 said:

Indian cricket is so stupid and backwards, expect both to hardly play before the WC, then expect both to play in the WC.

 

Then wonder why we dont win World Cups.

 

We should be playing both of these guys, why does Kohli need to play in a mindless insignificant bilateral series vs WI and SL?????

to stat pad his bilateral 50-over record

[Jay]

10 minutes ago, Vijy said:

1. shaw

2. pant/kishan (wk)

3. Gill/Gaekwad --> in the interim, rohit can drop himself down to #3 and anchor as captain

4. Gaekwad/Iyer/Mayank

5. KL/SKY

6. Pandu/Jaddu/Sundar --> Pandu only if he gives 3-4 overs min

7. thakur/deepak

8. axar

9. markande/bishnoi/chahar

10. bumrah/hangu

11. prasidh/siraj

 

Hangerakar already?

[Vijy]

Just now, Jay said:

Hangerakar already?

I assume this team is referring to few yrs down the line. maybe post-2023 WC, starting from 2024. right now he is too raw. would have mavi as backup for boom. batting till 10 in that case.

[Jay]

3 hours ago, Vijy said:

I assume this team is referring to few yrs down the line. maybe post-2023 WC, starting from 2024. right now he is too raw. would have mavi as backup for boom. batting till 10 in that case.

Mavi can smash.

[SRT100]

7 hours ago, Adamant said:

To regain his form?

What form? His form is over.

 

Im sorry but Kohli's form is on the permanent decline, he may score a good knock here and there, but he is finished.

 

I know your a Kohli fan so let me say this about your King. At his peak around that 2014 period, he was not only peerless in cricket but some of his batting performances were Bradmanesque like in nature.

 

If I had to chose a player to bat for my life in an ODI run chase at their peak especially in a bilateral tournament in India, I would take Kohli over SRT.  No doubt about that whatsoever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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