AAP watch in Punjab

[Khota]

10 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

I also feel as the nda combine needs to pension off amarinder as a gov. He is done in active politics. Mostly his son will be given ls seat from patiala.

 

Its time for the bjp to focus on 13 good names in punjab. Hindu votes will swing towards bjp in the ls elections and sikh votes towards cong n aap. That leaves the akalis high n dry..

 

 

Akali party became a cult. Father than son and nonsense. Punjab belongs to punjabis not Badals

 

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

No it will not. No one is anti India except for few misguided people. 99.9999% of Indians are very very proud of their heritage.  They may have grievances but that does not mean anti India

 

Misguided people killed a lot of people , Hindus and Sikhs in the 80s in the name of the same naara. It was crushed in the 80s, we don’t want to repeat it. Pro-India people should voice more opposition to such misguided people

[Khota]

45 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Misguided people killed a lot of people , Hindus and Sikhs in the 80s in the name of the same naara. It was crushed in the 80s, we don’t want to repeat it. Pro-India people should voice more opposition to such misguided people

In today's atmosphere there is zero tolerance towards those misguided people. Punjab has many issues but there is no hindu sikh problem. Almost all the rural hindus supported the farmers.

[Alam_dar]

12 hours ago, Clarke said:

 

There is nothing anti Sikh in BJP/RSS ideology.

 

Whenever you go righ wing side of one religion, you are automatically going anti all other religions. 

This is a universal rule. 

 

12 hours ago, Clarke said:

BJP will be forming govt in Manipur & Goa too, u claim to know a lot more about Indian politics than the many Christians living there. 

 

It is true about Manipur. 

 

Christians have doubts, but for them development seems to be more important as BJP was in the center (and these north eastern states normally follow the party which forms government in the center). And BJP supported the development there, along with free rations, which is kind of a positive thing. I always favoured a BJP which is not so much far-right oriented. 

 

As far as Goa is concerned, then it seems that politics played a bigger role than any increase in the support for BJP. 

 

the split in votes benefitted the BJP is evident from its vote share that stayed the same 33 per cent both in 2017, where it won 13 seats, and in 2022, where multi-cornered contests saw it convert the 2022 vote percentage of 33 per cent seats to 20 ...

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/opinion/in-goa-turncoats-help-bjp-win-a-third-successive-term-1090047.html

 

BJP is also lucky to have Rahul Gandhi as an opponent in these states. 

BJP will get difficulties if it has to face someone like Kajriwal in these states, who can attract the minorities much better then far right oriented BJP. 

 

12 hours ago, Clarke said:

Voting is never entirely based on the narrow spectrum of pro/against right wing hindutva as liars like u portray. Neither do u have any clue on what is secular or otherwise. Pathalogical lying is part of ur DNA.

 

You may call me a liar, or abuse me as much as you wish, but the reality is not going to change that BJP is indeed seen as a right wing Hindutva party by the majority of minorities (and also internationally). 

 

BJP may make some wins in some areas of these minorities, but it is not going to make a big difference till the time it leaves it's far right policies and moves little towards the center. 

 

AAP is a new party, and it got power in Punjab. 

While BJP is an old party, but it didn't. 

The excuse presented by @G_B_ was BJP was contesting only contesting 23/117 seats. But in my opinion, this excuse could not be accepted while it brings the next question, why BJP was contesting only on 23 seats? 

BJP is not insane for doing it without any reason. And the reason is simple that BJP does not have a support in Punjab, despite being an old party. 

[G_B_]

I am with you in saying that bjp was foolish to keep contesting 23 seats. Most Bjp well wishers too never understood why.   Even if the party did not have support of sikhs it was still a poor deal. Bjp is fighting alone in many states apart from punjab where support is weak. 

 

But modi and shah are not to blame for this. Seat shating agreements were struck by atal bihari advani duo in the 90s which did not support the bjps growth. Its not just the akalis but bjp had poor seat sharing accords with shiv sena in maharashtra and jd(u) in bihar. Generally pre modi bjp was too generous with allies. 

 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

9 hours ago, Khota said:

No it will not. No one is anti India except for few misguided people. 99.9999% of Indians are very very proud of their heritage.  They may have grievances but that does not mean anti India

 

Misguided people killed a lot of people , Hindus and Sikhs in the 80s in the name of the same naara. It was crushed in the 80s, we don’t want to repeat it. Pro-India people should voice more opposition to such misguided people

[coffee_rules]

9 hours ago, G_B_ said:

I personally feel the rw needs to stop with this xyz is doomed rhetoric. You are simply ruining the chances of bjp ruling the state and reinforcing regionalism. Be it kerala tn wb or punjab.  Works both ways as i have seen many in tn and kerala thumb their noses at the choice of voters in the north. 

 

Punjab is fine. Yes there is scope for improvement but its not a basket case. I think growth rate in punjab will easily be 5% per annum in the next decade. 

 

The next 6 months will be a honeymoon period for aap. Post that see what needs improvement and then provide solutions.

 

Punjab will be won on a positive idea. Yes national security is good stand of the bjp for core voters. But they need to project good ideas n leadership in assembly. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How can you grow or have future plan if you get only 5%_8% vote share? BJP can’t go alone like they do in WB or TN now. They had to go Badals or Capt now with that kind of vote share

[Yoda-esque]

A man gets selected to IIT and you call him a retard. Do you have any shame?

I challenge him to point out K problem in public.Evetyone knows that he will support insurgents to stay in power.

[mishra]

7 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

How can you grow or have future plan if you get only 5%_8% vote share? BJP can’t go alone like they do in WB or TN now. They had to go Badals or Capt now with that kind of vote share

Do you think BJP faught in Punjab election. BJP is not interested in Punjab till its certain that security situation and communal harmony isn’t disturbed. It will give rope to anyone as long as  Congress is decimated. Iirc BJP has mentioned that they will look at Punjab after 2024. It simply does not want Khalistanis to get any excuse or room to kick start insurgency. Its working on it. You need to go into UP Gujrat Assam MP and so on to see how BJP model of development works. Once you vote BJP, you are never satisfied by other parties. Because other parties simply aren’t as effective and efficient compared to BJP.

 

PS: Capt Amrindher was very clear in his objective that he won’t let Siddhu become CM of Punjab as he thought Siddhu is unfit for a border state loke Punjab with history of insurgency. He achieved it.

Edited March 14, 2022 by mishra

[G_B_]

8 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

How can you grow or have future plan if you get only 5%_8% vote share? BJP can’t go alone like they do in WB or TN now. They had to go Badals or Capt now with that kind of vote share

 

Bjp vote share will shoot to upto 20% in the ls. Its complicated atm in punjab.  That 8% in which captain was a drag actually does not consists of many who believe in modiji but considered voting for the bjp a wasted vote.

 

Aap in punjab got 8% in the ls in 2019 three years ago. Prior to that they had 25% in 2014. In local elections prior to assembly they came a poor third with 10% vote. So everything is very volatile in Punjab atm.

 

 

 

[someone]

11 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

How can you grow or have future plan if you get only 5%_8% vote share? BJP can’t go alone like they do in WB or TN now. They had to go Badals or Capt now with that kind of vote share

 

Build grassroot workers, attract some heavyweights from other parties. After farm bills reversal, they got many entrees, so the process can still continue particular after the abysmal performance of the dynasty parties.

 

With such approach, they can cross the 10% vote share, and if they can campaign well and show themselves as worthy challengers, that vote share can jump to 25% mark. Today, voters don't want their votes wasted, so even those who are pro-BJP would vote otherwise now. And a strong campaign can win over them...

 

There is still a sizeable population who are not averse to BJP.

 

[Khota]

19 hours ago, Yoda-esque said:

I challenge him to point out K problem in public.Evetyone knows that he will support insurgents to stay in power.

So now you are calling him antinational?

[mishra]

2 hours ago, Khota said:

So now you are calling him antinational?

Bhai, we have been calling this the day he tried Delhi gherao and do Indian version of Arab Spring. You can google it to find dates when Indian version was attempted. Blockade of Capital City and then change of leadership has been scripted attempted by CIA in many countries Since Iranian day. Last few countries have been Egypt Syria Lybia Georgia Ukraine.

[Yoda-esque]

Bhai, we have been calling this the day he tried Delhi gherao and do Indian version of Arab Spring. You can google it to find dates when Indian version was attempted. Blockade of Capital City and then change of leadership has been scripted attempted by CIA in many countries Since Iranian day. Last few countries have been Egypt Syria Lybia Georgia Ukraine.

Am just counting the days he will try and screw his own mann ..

[bharathh]

4 hours ago, mishra said:

Bhai, we have been calling this the day he tried Delhi gherao and do Indian version of Arab Spring. You can google it to find dates when Indian version was attempted. Blockade of Capital City and then change of leadership has been scripted attempted by CIA in many countries Since Iranian day. Last few countries have been Egypt Syria Lybia Georgia Ukraine.

He is a sweet terrorist. 

[urbestfriend]

i am happy for the AAP and I hope they do good for the state of punjab..It is one thing to give freebies , but it is another thing to get the state out of the debt and yet, make sure that people are not inconvenienced.

But they could've chosen a better CM than Mann who is a joker.. But I understand why they projected him as CM, it is to allay the fear that kejriwal himself wants to become CM...So they needed a sikh face who is popular and AAP dont have anyone else other than Mann...Now AAP faces challenges because you've a CM who is not a leadership material, and they have to make sure that they deliver what they have promised. 

If they're able to do it, then AAP can be a credible alternative in many small states. 

[Khota]

11 hours ago, mishra said:

Bhai, we have been calling this the day he tried Delhi gherao and do Indian version of Arab Spring. You can google it to find dates when Indian version was attempted. Blockade of Capital City and then change of leadership has been scripted attempted by CIA in many countries Since Iranian day. Last few countries have been Egypt Syria Lybia Georgia Ukraine.

This is a delusional view. Comparing India to Arab countries is asinine. India has many issues but as a democracy India is highly evolved and sophisticated. And Modi is a democratically elected leader of a free country unlike dictators ruling arab countries. Comparing India with Arab countries is dumb.

[mishra]

8 minutes ago, Khota said:

This is a delusional view. Comparing India to Arab countries is asinine. India has many issues but as a democracy India is highly evolved and sophisticated. And Modi is a democratically elected leader of a free country unlike dictators ruling arab countries. Comparing India with Arab countries is dumb.

And you think Egypt, Syria, Georgia, Ukraine Turkey didnt had elected leaders or the people living their are fools?

[Khota]

1 hour ago, mishra said:

And you think Egypt, Syria, Georgia, Ukraine Turkey didnt had elected leaders or the people living their are fools?

Egypt No

Syria No

Georgia's Puppet

and on and on.

None of those countries are advanced democracies like India.

[mishra]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

Egypt No

Syria No

Georgia's Puppet

and on and on.

None of those countries are advanced democracies like India.

One Point you are conveniently ignoring is, he tried. Successfull or not is different thing.  Here is another sign. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/arvind-kejriwal-selected-for-magsaysay-award/articleshow/1832474.cms

 

Point is you think he can change. For me, Bhagwant Mann is 10000 time better choice then this guy. He should lead AAP too. But not same way he kicked out Yogendra Yadav. Kick out like he kicked out Anna