Australian bowlers' effectiveness in 4th innings

[Suhaan]

My perspective,

 

Most attacks aren't all conditions attack these days,means they don't have plan B to bank on when things go south in alien conditions

India may have done better given the conditions they know how to bowl on these pitches in these conditions even if its flat

Australian bowlers too would have pulled it off in their conditions,Sydney test, Brisbane test were exceptional from our point of view Pant hit them hard in Brisbane they didn't know what hit them

Dont think Lyon bowl bad ,he looked decwnt to me,mind you if they had taken their catches result would have been different,

And offcourse Azam, Shafique played quite well

[putrevus]

It is bit too much to expect any side to match that Aussie juggernaut of early 2000s.Even those sides had some meltdowns like 418 4th innings chase by WI and Eden gardens.This Aussie attack is an excellent fast bowling attack unit for all conditions.Lyon is on last legs and Swepson made his debut.

Edited March 16, 2022 by putrevus

[Jay]

it isnt an all conditions attack. its their second best attack of all time. India's attack is just better though.

1) india

2) aussie

3) saffer

4)nz

5) england

 

 

[Jay]

kohli fans are truly a special kind of degenerates. THey need to go out and actually play for a club at a high grade cricket level. 

[SK_IH]

They dropped too many catches in this game, you cannot fault bowlers if fielders keep shelling catches

[Lord]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

How did Bumrah and Shami look in SA defending 4th inning totals on spicy wickets.Aussie bowlers atleast have an excuse of pitch becoming completely flat.

Defending 400 and 240 is completely different

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

Defending 400 and 240 is completely different

240 on that pitch is much more than 400 plus on this wicket.Indian bowlers failed  there.Bumrah had big chance to win that series but he simply failed to show up for that test.He took grand total of one wicket on that pitch.Like Kohli he has gone missing from big moments.

Edited March 16, 2022 by putrevus

[rollingstoned]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

240 on that pitch is much more than 400 plus on this wickets.Indian bowlers failed  there.Bumrah had big chance to win that series but he simply failed to show up for that test.He took grand total of one wicket on that pitch.Like Kohli he has gone missing from big moments.

It was a day 3 pitch effectively. All their games have gone properly into day 5. Apples to oranges comparison. 

 

@Trichromatic One thing is all of these matches have happened after sandpapergate and Starc has been wicketless in most of them. Tinfoil hat? Maybe, maybe not? 

[Suhaan]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

240 on that pitch is much more than 400 plus on this wickets.Indian bowlers failed  there.Bumrah had big chance to win that series but he simply failed to show up for that test.He took grand total of one wicket on that pitch.Like Kohli he has gone missing from big moments.

Bumrah couldn't do much all on his own,unfit Siraj did hurt India there

Shami isn't that potent overseas

Our spinners including Ashwin like usually are average too in those conditions

Thakur apart from 7 wickets isnt that reliable either

They just had to see off Bumrah ,we need an all round attack for different conditions

We missed a trick there by not playing Prasidh ( who is tall bouncy like saffers) and also an in form Saini there

[putrevus]

Just now, Suhaan said:

Bumrah couldn't do much all on his own,unfit Siraj did hurt India there

Shami isn't that potent overseas

Our spinners including Ashwin like usually are average too in those conditions

Thakur apart from 7 wickets isnt that reliable either

They just had to see off Bumrah ,we need an all round attack for different conditions

We missed a trick there by not playing Prasidh ( who is tall bouncy like saffers) and also an in form Saini there

No that is completely false.When you are best bowler on the team you have to take more than one wicket in series deciding test.That is not the first time Bumrah has gone missing.Like Kohli the batsman gets the main blame for 2019 world cup semis loss, Bumrah is main culprit for SA series loss.

 

 

[putrevus]

12 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

It was a day 3 pitch effectively. All their games have gone properly into day 5. Apples to oranges comparison. 

 

@Trichromatic One thing is all of these matches have happened after sandpapergate and Starc has been wicketless in most of them. Tinfoil hat? Maybe, maybe not? 

If that was 3rd day pitch, this pitch was first day pitch.

[kohli]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

Defending 400 and 240 is completely different

Defending 500

[kohli]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

240 on that pitch is much more than 400 plus on this wickets.Indian bowlers failed  there.Bumrah had big chance to win that series but he simply failed to show up for that test.He took grand total of one wicket on that pitch.Like Kohli he has gone missing from big moments.

What about gabba, Sydney & headingley?

[Lord]

1 minute ago, kohli said:

What about gabba, Sydney & headingley?

only the ones we lose/draw are big moments

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, kohli said:

What about gabba, Sydney & headingley?

Aussies did fail in Gabba, no way they should have allowed Indian team chase that total down. Do you really think headlingley was a failure of Aussie bowling .IMO it was more England being lucky.

 

[kohli]

9 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Aussies did fail in Gabba, no way they should have allowed Indian team chase that total down. Do you really think headlingley was a failure of Aussie bowling .IMO it was more England being lucky.

 

Yes, it was a bowling failure in headingley. Specially Cummins was totally failure that day.

[deathmonger]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

No that is completely false.When you are best bowler on the team you have to take more than one wicket in series deciding test.That is not the first time Bumrah has gone missing.Like Kohli the batsman gets the main blame for 2019 world cup semis loss, Bumrah is main culprit for SA series loss.

 

 

No he isn’t. He averaged something like 23 that tour. 
 

you can’t except him to bail you out every time.

 

without bumrah we would not have won in mcg 2018 and if we drew that series who knows whether we would have won in 2021?

 

without bumrah we are not winning lords and oval 2021.

 

no one comes through all the time.

[deathmonger]

38 minutes ago, Lord said:

only the ones we lose/draw are big moments

Yeah lol.

 

bowling out England at lords in less than two sessions. Bowling out England in oval at that patta where even Indian tailenders were making merry and England had a 100 run partnership. Bowling out aus in 2018 mcg on that patta. 

[Suhaan]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

No that is completely false.When you are best bowler on the team you have to take more than one wicket in series deciding test.That is not the first time Bumrah has gone missing.Like Kohli the batsman gets the main blame for 2019 world cup semis loss, Bumrah is main culprit for SA series loss.

 

 

No he is not,who he was leading?

An attack of Thakur,Umesh,Ashwin all of them highly inconsistent overseas

SA pitches tend to get better as game progresses,sure he could have done better,there is always scope for improvement

240 is a moderate target,given the attack we had SA had huge chance to chase it unless we were helped by the pitch itself

We lost due to our endurance tolerance to keep duds like rahane pujara who failed time and again

 

[Suhaan]

Kohli fans are doing wierd things to find parallels in mediocre performance within the team to hedge on,latest coping mechanism

But they don't realise he wouldn't be best even in his Ranji team