Australian bowlers' effectiveness in 4th innings

[Trichromatic]

Pakistan once scored 450 and lost by 40 runs.

England chased 350+ with help of Stokes.

India chased 300+ at Gabba.

Pakistan 277/4 at Karachi.

India batted whole day to save Sydney test and scored 300+.

[Nikola]

Lyon goes missing unless pitch has deteriorated enough. Even starc is pretty average against top sides. Cummins has to do the all job.

Edited March 16, 2022 by Nikola

[Autonomous]

12 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Lyon goes missing unless pitch has deteriorated enough. Even starc is pretty average against top sides. Cummins has to do the all job.

Lyon likes a bit of bounce I feel to be effective. 

[Norman]

All those are flat batting wickets. Just got better and better for batting at Headingley and Gabba. 

[Serpico]

Don't forget the Sydney 2022. England was 9 down but couldn't close the deal 

 

Aussies have been choking in 4th innings for a while now

[Jay]

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

Pakistan once scored 450 and lost by 40 runs.

England chased 350+ with help of Stokes.

India chased 300+ at Gabba.

Pakistan 277/4 at Karachi.

India batted whole day to save Sydney test and scored 300+.

Same thing happened to us in s.africa. pitch got flatter as game went on.

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

Pakistan once scored 450 and lost by 40 runs.

England chased 350+ with help of Stokes.

India chased 300+ at Gabba.

Pakistan 277/4 at Karachi.

India batted whole day to save Sydney test and scored 300+.

Which game of Pakistan where they got 450 and lost by 40?

[puneet28]

19 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Which game of Pakistan where they got 450 and lost by 40?

Brisbane 2016 

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pak-tour-of-aus-2016-17-1000871/australia-vs-pakistan-1st-test-1000881/full-scorecard

Edited March 16, 2022 by puneet28

[Nikola]

48 minutes ago, Jay said:

Same thing happened to us in s.africa. pitch got flatter as game went on.

Even NZ pitches start tough and get better to bat.

[Jay]

1 hour ago, Nikola said:

Even NZ pitches start tough and get better to bat.

Normally s.a pitches aren't like that but they did it on purpose. They were scared. 

[vvvslaxman]

If it were our bowlers we would use all the filters to run them down :)

[kohli]

Overrated attack 

[rollingstoned]

4 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Pakistan once scored 450 and lost by 40 runs.

England chased 350+ with help of Stokes.

India chased 300+ at Gabba.

Pakistan 277/4 at Karachi.

India batted whole day to save Sydney test and scored 300+.

Pakistan were never going to win that 2016 game. You forgot that Sydney game this year but that was not Australia's A choice attack. 

It feels like Lyon isn't doing the business in the 4th innings.

[Trichromatic]

11 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

Pakistan were never going to win that 2016 game. You forgot that Sydney game this year but that was not Australia's A choice attack. 

It feels like Lyon isn't doing the business in the 4th innings.

 

Aus seem to be struggling more often than other teams in 4th innings while defending big total.

 

Pattern is same, fast bowlers look toothless on flat pitches, spinners completely ineffective.

 

What are they missing? If you go by ICF's gold standard of pace attack, they have everything. Tall fast bowlers who are capable of bowling 140-155 kph. Reverse swing skills, hit the deck pacers. 

[putrevus]

22 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Aus seem to be struggling more often than other teams in 4th innings while defending big total.

 

Pattern is same, fast bowlers look toothless on flat pitches, spinners completely ineffective.

 

What are they missing? If you go by ICF's gold standard of pace attack, they have everything. Tall fast bowlers who are capable of bowling 140-155 kph. Reverse swing skills, hit the deck pacers. 

How did Bumrah and Shami look in SA defending 4th inning totals on spicy wickets.Aussie bowlers atleast have an excuse of pitch becoming completely flat.

Edited March 16, 2022 by putrevus

[Jay]

17 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Aus seem to be struggling more often than other teams in 4th innings while defending big total.

 

Pattern is same, fast bowlers look toothless on flat pitches, spinners completely ineffective.

 

What are they missing? If you go by ICF's gold standard of pace attack, they have everything. Tall fast bowlers who are capable of bowling 140-155 kph. Reverse swing skills, hit the deck pacers. 

Shen did any of them touch above 150? Only starc bowls 140-145 consistently. Hazelwood is a 135-138 bowler. Occasional 140. 

Cummins is a 135-141 bowler. 

 

Indian attack is superior as an all conditions attack. 

 

Oh did I forget. Indian attack is the goat Asian pace attack. 

[Jay]

10 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How did Bumrah and Shami look in SA defending 4th inning totals on spicy wickets.

Yea siraj injury had nothing to do with it ofcourse. Not picking prasidh because of your dunderhead moron was not the reason at all. Especially when you need a tall pacer Lel. 

That was a pitch that got better for batting. 

 

This one in pakistan was getting worse but on a marginal scale. Huge difference.

[vvvslaxman]

Fact is Australians won't blame their bowlers for not doing well on ineffective surfaces. We are quick to run them down for inadequacies of batsmen.

[Jay]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Fact is Australians won't blame their bowlers for not doing well on ineffective surfaces. We are quick to run them down for inadequacies of batsmen.

Because we have too many bitches as fans. Lazy people who have never picked up weights or participated in any sport. Or did any sort of hard physical work. 

[express bowling]

I have always maintained this view that the Australian sides of 2017 to 2022 lack the mental toughness  that the 1995 to 2015 sides had.

 

Put them under pressure and they will most probably underperform and may even crumble.

 

And Cummins is really sub-par on abrasive surfaces. Depends a lot on bounce to take wickets. If bounce is not available then he may underperform.