1st T20I (D/N), Southampton, July 07, 2022, India tour of England

[Vijy]

Just now, Lord said:

yes not sure how he gets so many chances

too much trundler love

[Ankit_sharma03]

Loved the intent of Rohit, Hooda, SKY, Hardik...................rohit was surprising 

[gattaca]

Kohli doesn’t fit in this T20 team plays too slow as ODI. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

harshal is a mediocre purveyor of full tosses and slow balls, neither of which are well suited in Oz

slower one works everywhere nothing to do with oz, idea is to break batsman momentum while he is in shot

Guys like kane richardson, nathan ellis, sams take wkst in bundle in BBL with slower one 

Also harshal has done very well in given chances, not to forget he offers batting 

[Vijy]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

slower one works everywhere nothing to do with oz, idea is to break batsman momentum while he is in shot

Guys like kane richardson, nathan ellis, sams take wkst in bundle in BBL with slower one 

Also harshal has done very well in given chances, not to forget he offers batting 

no signs of batting ability worth speaking about at int'l level (or even most IPL). not deepak chahar or thakur level

 

don't worry, though, given TM's love of trundlers, he will be playing T20s for another 5-10 years and perhaps ODIs and tests too. good time to be a harshal fan.

Edited July 8, 2022 by Vijy

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

Arshdeep made him look clueless with swing

 

Which is good. That was the one area remained untested. New ball.  Given his age, if he works harder and adds more variation he is a very good long term prospect. At this point only a handful of guys like Yash Dhayal, Khaleel, Moshin are competing with him in the left arm seamer department

[vvvslaxman]

38 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

slower one works everywhere nothing to do with oz, idea is to break batsman momentum while he is in shot

Guys like kane richardson, nathan ellis, sams take wkst in bundle in BBL with slower one 

Also harshal has done very well in given chances, not to forget he offers batting 

 

Kane Richardson has done reasonably well with his knuckle balls there. We have to view bowling as a unit not individual. Going with 5 Umrans or 5 chahals or 5 bhumras don't mean we will win every match.

[Ankit_sharma03]

32 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Kane Richardson has done reasonably well with his knuckle balls there. We have to view bowling as a unit not individual. Going with 5 Umrans or 5 chahals or 5 bhumras don't mean we will win every match.

yes correct we need to build an attack that offers variety and for that u need every variety in squad

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

no signs of batting ability worth speaking about at int'l level (or even most IPL). not deepak chahar or thakur level

 

he hasnt playd enough , just saved our arse in Warmup game

 

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

don't worry, though, given TM's love of trundlers, he will be playing T20s for another 5-10 years and perhaps ODIs and tests too. good time to be a harshal fan.

trundler-pacer are just a poor way to categorize bowler

its shud be good bowler or bad 

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Loved the intent of Rohit, Hooda, SKY, Hardik...................rohit was surprising 

Focus on PP dominance is Key. If one of Hooda or SKY had stuck with Hardik, they could have finished much better. Iyers (one) instead of Akshar could give us better finishing push to go beyond 210. We were 130+ after 13 overs and  kind of maintained 10 rpo even at 20 overs. 

Edited July 8, 2022 by coffee_rules

[Lord]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Which is good. That was the one area remained untested. New ball.  Given his age, if he works harder and adds more variation he is a very good long term prospect. At this point only a handful of guys like Yash Dhayal, Khaleel, Moshin are competing with him in the left arm seamer department

His big strength is inswing to RHB and being good at death.

 

More importantly he seems like a thinking bowler and remains calm under pressure

[Lord]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

slower one works everywhere nothing to do with oz, idea is to break batsman momentum while he is in shot

Guys like kane richardson, nathan ellis, sams take wkst in bundle in BBL with slower one 

Also harshal has done very well in given chances, not to forget he offers batting 

He won't get grip on those cutters though. Also isnt an all phase bowler.We need 3 all phase pacers.

 

Has conceded 40+ four times already including 50 v Ireland.

 

 

[Lord]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Loved the intent of Rohit, Hooda, SKY, Hardik...................rohit was surprising 

yeah only weird thing was Axar ahead of DK. 

 

DK should come at any time after 10 overs,not just in last 5

[Lone Wolf]

Harshal has a habit of going full monty once someone gets a hold off him..  Reliability factor is rather low.  Saffers did inflict a reasonable thrashing on him on a placid Delhi Track...  So I would rather have Umran or Arshdeep vs SA in Perth. 

Remains to be seen how Harshal does vs Pak...  He most likely will play Asia cup game so we will have to gauge him against their matchups. 

His skill set is limited with no new ball skill so we have to tread carefully with him. 

 

Deepak  Chahar the batter is a reasonable hitter down the order as well

Edited July 8, 2022 by Lone Wolf

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

He won't get grip on those cutters though. Also isnt an all phase bowler.We need 3 all phase pacers.

 

Only bhuvi n bumrah are all phase. Siraj was one but completely lost his form

• harshal, arshdeep are 2 phase 
• Deepak, umran are 1.5 half phase 
• avesh is all phase but very very inconsistent 

 

he doesnt need grip his slower one depends on dip , have a read 

 

 

If i show a similar slower on in australia 

 

 

 

Its dip not grip

Slowers ones have done great in BBL 

 

1 hour ago, Lord said:

Has conceded 40+ four times already including 50 v Ireland.

 

 

 

4 in 15 games , in the game he got beaten even other were. Its t20 everyone gets taken apart 

in 4 he has performed very well too and rest is nothing bad 

 

Edited July 8, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

He won't get grip on those cutters though. Also isnt an all phase bowler.We need 3 all phase pacers.

 

Has conceded 40+ four times already including 50 v Ireland.

 

 

 

 

this is slower one in BBL and this will work anywhere in the world coz most batsman will be through the shot and ball wont be reaching batsman 

 

 

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

this is slower one in BBL and this will work anywhere in the world coz most batsman will be through the shot and ball wont be reaching batsman 

 

 

 

bhai I am talking international cricket. Whos the batsman here?

 

Most good bats will see it from hand and then it needs grip from pitch.

 

Though Harshal gets dip like Bravo but slower one only can't save him. Doesnt have great yorker too.

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

bhai I am talking international cricket. Whos the batsman here?

that question comes when harshal hasnt bowled against international batsman 

point ur making is about pitches not batsman , thats just to show what a myth that slower ones dont work in Aus is ...............kane richardson biggest asset is slower one

Harshal has been successful against international batsman 

 

7 minutes ago, Lord said:

Most good bats will see it from hand and then it needs grip from pitch.

 

if that was the case na bravo wudnt have lasted with dipping slower one for more then a decade 

The only grip he got in IPL was chennai surfaces last , after that pitches have been more suitable for seamers 

 

7 minutes ago, Lord said:

Though Harshal gets dip like Bravo but slower one only can't save him. Doesnt have great yorker too.

 

he has a yorker not high % accuracy like

Ultimately rule is same for everyone - need to put the ball in right slot

 

Speed cant save umran if its in wrong slot

Swing cant save bhuvi or chahar if they dont bowl in right slot

Sme if harshal bowls at wrong place slower or faster wont save him

 

 

[Lord]

41 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

that question comes when harshal hasnt bowled against international batsman 

point ur making is about pitches not batsman , thats just to show what a myth that slower ones dont work in Aus is ...............kane richardson biggest asset is slower one

Harshal has been successful against international batsman 

He hasn't been successful against international batsmen on SENA pitches. Still a lot to prove

41 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

if that was the case na bravo wudnt have lasted with dipping slower one for more then a decade 

The only grip he got in IPL was chennai surfaces last , after that pitches have been more suitable for seamers 

Check Bravo's numbers in SENA in both LOI formats,specially Aus

 

He's also a more rounded bowler than Harshal. Can move it away a touch and in his peak could also bowl quick bouncer. Harshal relies too much on slower ones

41 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

he has a yorker not high % accuracy like

Ultimately rule is same for everyone - need to put the ball in right slot

 

Speed cant save umran if its in wrong slot

Swing cant save bhuvi or chahar if they dont bowl in right slot

Sme if harshal bowls at wrong place slower or faster wont save him

 

 

Ofcourse but we have to assess all options and take conditions in consideration

[Ankit_sharma03]

39 minutes ago, Lord said:

He hasn't been successful against international batsmen on SENA pitches. Still a lot to prove

 how much has he even played in SENa

how is this goal post changing ??

Earlier u said he relies on grip, i showed its dip not grip

then u said it wont work in Aus , then i showed how mcgrath n bumrah worked with same dipping slower one in test and how even guys like kane, ellis, sams have used slower one in BBL

Then it became about batsman 

39 minutes ago, Lord said:

Check Bravo's numbers in SENA in both LOI formats,specially Aus

 

ODI formats and t20 are different

also how does other condition matter if the wc is in Aus where he has just bowled 2 overs. He has a good record in england so how wud it matter in australia

We all know how windies player play for WI

When bravo example its given its to state that if its so easy to figure out his slower one ppl are yet to figure out bravo and bravo struggled when every ball is a slower on

 

Also harshal isnt just about slower one, its also about length variation 

 

39 minutes ago, Lord said:

He's also a more rounded bowler than Harshal. Can move it away a touch and in his peak could also bowl quick bouncer. Harshal relies too much on slower ones

Ofcourse but we have to assess all options and take conditions in consideration

 

Bravo was only quick in his very intial days

As of now how is harshal a bad option ??

 

 

Edited July 8, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03