Surya kumar Yadav is a national treasure

[Suhaan]

13 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Yuvraj singh was picekd based on his under-19 performance. He instantly  impressed in theODI.  Yuvraj was a failure in Tests. I never supported yuvi in Tests.

Just see ,he just said he would have played SKY in WTC final against Aussie test attack that too in England replacing Pujara

Gut feeling comes from past performances,based on that SKY's been given chances here but same gut feeling that keeps Pujara is baseless, everything is based on convenience

His posts are all funny ,he thinks he's too serious and part of serious discussion but if you go by his posts you won't have to read jokes

I mean seriously ,SKY against Aussie red ball attack ,venue England,lol

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, saneindian said:

Check what was Raina averaging after his first 35-40 ODIs. The then TM saw a spark and kept backing him. Before the 2011 WC as well, he was struggling (1 50 in 20 ODIs) yet was backed. Thats the role of coach and captain. Keep showing faith in someone they believe will come good during crunch time.

 

Same with SKY. He's being backed for what he's done in white ball cricket in T20Is and in IPL, for his insane hitting abilities.

 

SKY is no spring chicken. Some guys retired at that age. Backing this guy who is "trying to figure out  how to play ODIs" is different from backing a potential youngster. Nobody is shouting at the backing of Tilak varma, Gill.

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Just see ,he just said he would have played SKY in WTC final against Aussie test attack that too in England replacing Pujara

Gut feeling comes from past performances,based on that SKY's been given chances here but same gut feeling that keeps Pujara is baseless, everything is based on convenience

His posts are all funny ,he thinks he's too serious and part of serious discussion but if you go by his posts you won't have to read jokes

I mean seriously ,SKY against Aussie red ball attack ,venue England,lol

You can connect a lot of random things and conclude   Ant is stronger than Dionsaur and Dinosaur has a lot of catching up to do lol

[saneindian]

14 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

SKY is no spring chicken. Some guys retired at that age. Backing this guy who is "trying to figure out  how to play ODIs" is different from backing a potential youngster. Nobody is shouting at the backing of Tilak varma, Gill.

Irrespective of age, anyone who does remotely close to what SKY has done in T20Is and IPL, will and should get an equal amount of backing in white ball cricket. You jumping from stats, to what has he done in List A to comparing with Yuvraj and Raina, and now his age doesn't really matter.

[vvvslaxman]

14 minutes ago, saneindian said:

Irrespective of age, anyone who does remotely close to what SKY has done in T20Is and IPL, will and should get an equal amount of backing in white ball cricket. You jumping from stats, to what has he done in List A to comparing with Yuvraj and Raina, and now his age doesn't really matter.

 

During the same period he failed in ODIs. He himself admitted that he is trying to get to terms with ODI format. It is almost like they are giving training to him how to play ODI at  the world cup stage. ODIs require different tempo at different stages against different type of bowlers, lot of running. His average stay in ODIs is 22 balls. In List  A 28 balls. His performances in ODIs clearly reflect he is neve rused to playing longer innings.  Also he doesn't have a solid defense in case if he has to come in very early and survive a tight spell. With so many holes blindly backing a guy based on a grand total of 1 year success in T20 format is ridiculous. 

[NameGoesHere]

I’m on the side of those who think taking SKY to the World Cup is not the right call. 

Reason- We are selecting SKY on the chance that he plays the explosive  innings we seen from him in T20s.
 

However, his List A stats across 130 games (average 34), ODI performance so far across 28 games (average 25) and lastly the timing -  that we’re taking such a major call with no time at all to perform on the largest possible stage. 

I can understand the reasons for his selection. I’ll be the happiest if he justifies it. But I’d cant support it given the above. 

[vvvslaxman]

We miss "street smart" cricketer Jadhav :). Some of the shots he plays are outrageous.  Dabs, inside out shots,  down the wicket lofted shots.

 

 

 

[Vk1]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

We miss "street smart" cricketer Jadhav :). Some of the shots he plays are outrageous.  Dabs, inside out shots,  down the wicket lofted shots.

 

 

 

 

 

Likes of Kedar Jadhav, Deepak Hooda should have never played for India in so many games at those positions. They were never cut out to bat at 5,6. Even Ishan Kishan will cost us in future. Most of these guys can only bat in top 4.  We just assume out of the blue that these guys can bat in lower order. They cannot and once in a blue moon innings like above will only lead us to the wrong path. You need specialists like Rinku or you need super talented players like Rahul, SKY.

Edited September 23, 2023 by Vk1

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, Vk1 said:

 

 

Likes of Kedar Jadhav, Deepak Hooda should have never played for India in so many games at those positions. They were never cut out to bat at 5,6. Even Ishan Kishan will cost us in future. Most of these guys can only bat in top 4.  We just assume out of the blue that these guys can bat in lower order. They cannot and once in a blue moon innings like above will only lead us to the wrong path. You need specialists like Rinku or you need super talented players like Rahul, SKY.

 

Do not insult Kedar by comparing with Hooda. His career strike rate is 101.60.  One of the 3 or 4 specialist batsman with 100 plus strike rate from India while averaging 42.  He has played only 73 matches.  Also took 27 wickets. SKY can't bowl.  Played 28 matches  with an average of 25.  He is super lucky. Not super talented.

[rollingstoned]

4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

We miss "street smart" cricketer Jadhav :). Some of the shots he plays are outrageous.  Dabs, inside out shots,  down the wicket lofted shots.

 

 

 

that was one of the best odi knocks by an Indian batsman recently imo, especially since it was in a big chase. doesn't get the credit it deserves.

[Vk1]

5 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Do not insult Kedar by comparing with Hooda. His career strike rate is 101.60.  One of the 3 or 4 specialist batsman with 100 plus strike rate from India while averaging 42.  He has played only 73 matches.  Also took 27 wickets. SKY can't bowl.  Played 28 matches  with an average of 25.  He is super lucky. Not super talented.

Kedar has nothing much apart from that innings though I like his overal package ( not as a finisher), SKY too has poor numbers right now but is a GOAT in other format so

[nevada]

1 hour ago, Vk1 said:

Kedar has nothing much apart from that innings though I like his overal package ( not as a finisher), SKY too has poor numbers right now but is a GOAT in other format so

He was a good batsman but age caught up with him. He should have been picked 4-5 years earlier. 

[Lord]

14 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

During the same period he failed in ODIs. He himself admitted that he is trying to get to terms with ODI format. It is almost like they are giving training to him how to play ODI at  the world cup stage. ODIs require different tempo at different stages against different type of bowlers, lot of running. His average stay in ODIs is 22 balls. In List  A 28 balls. His performances in ODIs clearly reflect he is neve rused to playing longer innings.  Also he doesn't have a solid defense in case if he has to come in very early and survive a tight spell. With so many holes blindly backing a guy based on a grand total of 1 year success in T20 format is ridiculous. 

 

most of these things are true for Samson too. Poor List A record,not used to long innings, no technique again spin/swing.

 

Only thing is he did well in SA series. But SKY has a stellar record IN T20Is and Samson a rather poor one.

 

So they are just backing the ability he showed in T20Is over one series.

[vvvslaxman]

32 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

most of these things are true for Samson too. Poor List A record,not used to long innings, no technique again spin/swing.

 

Only thing is he did well in SA series. But SKY has a stellar record IN T20Is and Samson a rather poor one.

 

So they are just backing the ability he showed in T20Is over one series.

 

Samson is a better oDI player from whatever little we see. His defense is far better. Also his spin bashing is next level. He has an additional skill of keeping. SKY purely came into the side based on one year of T20 internationals where he could get away with his "fine leg" shots . Out here he looked mostly fish out of the water.  Samson and SKY have played 7 games together

 

Samson  7 matches 214 runs 35.66 avge 97.27 SR  2 fifties

SKY         7 matches  133 runs 19.00 avge 108.13 0 fifties

 

Besides rejection of SKY is not to promote Samson.  They could even go with Rinku Singh. 

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, Vk1 said:

Kedar has nothing much apart from that innings though I like his overal package ( not as a finisher), SKY too has poor numbers right now but is a GOAT in other format so

 

He played way down the order. For that position he did justice alongwith 6th bowler quota. It is all relative. Is he the best no. Is he better than what we have now? Then yes.

[Lord]

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Samson is a better oDI player from whatever little we see. His defense is far better. Also his spin bashing is next level. He has an additional skill of keeping. SKY purely came into the side based on one year of T20 internationals where he could get away with his "fine leg" shots . Out here he looked mostly fish out of the water.  Samson and SKY have played 7 games together

 

Samson  7 matches 214 runs 35.66 avge 97.27 SR  2 fifties

SKY         7 matches  133 runs 19.00 avge 108.13 0 fifties

 

Besides rejection of SKY is not to promote Samson.  They could even go with Rinku Singh. 

 

yeah best options are Tilak and Rinku. But they are not bold enough to take that plunge.

 

Samson struggled v spin too in WI. He's not the best player of spin plus always plays high risk shots. Not much strike rotation.

 

Samson is mostly suited to middle order whereas SKY can be the finisher which is what they are looking for more.

[vvvslaxman]

23 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

yeah best options are Tilak and Rinku. But they are not bold enough to take that plunge.

 

Samson struggled v spin too in WI. He's not the best player of spin plus always plays high risk shots. Not much strike rotation.

 

Samson is mostly suited to middle order whereas SKY can be the finisher which is what they are looking for more.

 

SKY was not even considered a finisher in T20. They picked DK for that role. Samson in one dayers has shown to be a lot more adept.  Sure he can get out spinner much like our vaunted top order getting out to seamers. But that doesn't mean he is weak. He still has one of the high perecntage of success with lofted shot against spinners in the IPL. Atleast this guy is trying to hit the spinners out instead of frontfoot plonking and collapsing against them. 

 

 

[Lord]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

SKY was not even considered a finisher in T20. They picked DK for that role. Samson in one dayers has shown to be a lot more adept.  Sure he can get out spinner much like our vaunted top order getting out to seamers. But that doesn't mean he is weak. He still has one of the high perecntage of success with lofted shot against spinners in the IPL. Atleast this guy is trying to hit the spinners out instead of frontfoot plonking and collapsing against them. 

 

 

 

yeah but he wouldn't face much spin at 6. And that's just one shot v spin. 

 

Finishing in ODIs is different to T20s. In T20s whole innings is kind of finishing in ODIs you have to keep going from start. SKY has done it with some success. so is 'expected' to do it in ODIs in later half of the innings.

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

yeah but he wouldn't face much spin at 6. And that's just one shot v spin. 

 

Finishing in ODIs is different to T20s. In T20s whole innings is kind of finishing in ODIs you have to keep going from start. SKY has done it with some success. so is 'expected' to do it in ODIs in later half of the innings.

 

SKY hasn't done anything remotely what we are looking for at any level of 50 over cricet. He is there as MI quota, Now that he has picked more sponsors he iw going to be selected ahead of so many promising youngsters under the guise of X-factor. 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

SKY hasn't done anything remotely what we are looking for at any level of 50 over cricet. He is there as MI quota, Now that he has picked more sponsors he iw going to be selected ahead of so many promising youngsters under the guise of X-factor. 

nor has Samson or anyone else. No one has been a good finisher. So we are basically going with potential of guys who can score big in end overs.Its a gamble that can go south but will win lot of games if it works. 

 

Youngsters will be backed after WC, for now they are playing T20Is