Nikhil_cric Posted October 28, 2022 Posted October 28, 2022 I remember 2018 very well. Our bowlers were the 2nd fastest in the world in test cricket behind only Australia. Dont watch much IPL but from what I remember the bowlers were clocking high speeds in IPL . Even Prasidh Krishna clocked Upto 150 kph. Our under 19 quicks were among the fastest Since then, every single bowler has declined in terms of top end and average speed. One explanation is the ridiculous fact that our bowlers bowl in all 3 formats with heavy workloads in domestic. Pat Cummins has lost pace after bowling across formats and leagues. What about rest and strength and conditioning. Is it at a desirable level? Is it biomechanics? Ian Pont had said in a couple of tweets that Ishant's and Shivam Mavi's actions had deteriorated. Do bowlers not have the drills to keep their actions intact? Durability of different body types/frames. Eg. Bhuvaneshwar does not have a frame to sustain consistent 140 + bowling . Whenever he used to clock 145 kph, he ended up injured. I dont want this to be another speeds and performances thread. This is about what institutional changes we can make to identify , improve and manage bowlers who have the ability to bowl 140 + Discuss.
vayuu1 Posted October 28, 2022 Posted October 28, 2022 Covid happened and since then bowling has declined but i feel under able guidance they can regain ,also too many injuries too has taken toll on players sandeep 1
AuxiliA Posted October 28, 2022 Posted October 28, 2022 Good Selection and coaching I guess. Can't select donkeys and expect them to run like horses. express bowling 1
AuxiliA Posted October 28, 2022 Posted October 28, 2022 Indian pacers must look to play county cricket as much as possible. Ishant was very vocal about how his county stint under Gillespie basically transformed his whole career. He had said, "In India coaches tell you what to do but not how to do it!". Zaheer too became a good bowler after he started playing county. sandeep and cricketfan28 2
singhvivek141 Posted October 28, 2022 Posted October 28, 2022 3 Things 1. Age (Shami and Umesh are falling in this category) 2. Fitness (Bumrah is getting injured, even the U-19 ones like Nagarkoti, Mavi had to face tough years) 3. Backing Except for Siraj, Prasidh to an extent and Avesh, we didn't choose new bowlers and went with our tried and tested quad of Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Umesh everywhere. They bowled well for some time, then Covid happened along with problems 1&2. Even, Siraj was reluctantly given chance when all bowlers were injured in Australia tour. In T20's and ODI's we always have a "safety first" approach, hence we choose medium pacers who can bowl at line and length defensively instead of fast bowlers who might be a bit erratic at the start but can get you wickets if persisted. Chakdephatte 1
sandeep Posted October 28, 2022 Posted October 28, 2022 Top-end pace bowlers are always going to get injured - its a function of what they are putting their bodies through. In order to have a steady supply of top tier pace bowlers, you need a whole assembly line of tall, athletic, well coached bowlers. Finding tall bowlers in India - and by tall I mean taller than 6'3" - is not common. The rest of it is falling into place steadily. The IPL has created the appropriate market incentives to attract any reasonably tall young man with a reasonable level of athletic ability into the sport. The point about leveraging county cricket as a training ground is well made. It can be hugely helpful as a finishing school for Indian quicks. I want to see not just guys like Siraj, but also younger guys like Mohsin, Shivam Mavi, Raj Bawa etc make that journey, at least for a season or 2. singhvivek141 1
AKane Posted October 28, 2022 Posted October 28, 2022 as far as the Indian establishment is concerned - you are asking the wrong question. The Indian establishment would ask ...... India's fast bowling - what were we doing wrong in 2018/19? The establishment does not like fast bowling - for example bowling of the kind of peak Kapil Dev is acceptable but that of peak Imran Khan is not. Bowling of a peak young Dennis Lillee is taboo. Attitude of peak John Snow is unforgivable.
Dil Dil India Posted October 28, 2022 Posted October 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said: I remember 2018 very well. Our bowlers were the 2nd fastest in the world in test cricket behind only Australia. Dont watch much IPL but from what I remember the bowlers were clocking high speeds in IPL . Even Prasidh Krishna clocked Upto 150 kph. Our under 19 quicks were among the fastest Since then, every single bowler has declined in terms of top end and average speed. One explanation is the ridiculous fact that our bowlers bowl in all 3 formats with heavy workloads in domestic. Pat Cummins has lost pace after bowling across formats and leagues. What about rest and strength and conditioning. Is it at a desirable level? Is it biomechanics? Ian Pont had said in a couple of tweets that Ishant's and Shivam Mavi's actions had deteriorated. Do bowlers not have the drills to keep their actions intact? Durability of different body types/frames. Eg. Bhuvaneshwar does not have a frame to sustain consistent 140 + bowling . Whenever he used to clock 145 kph, he ended up injured. I dont want this to be another speeds and performances thread. This is about what institutional changes we can make to identify , improve and manage bowlers who have the ability to bowl 140 + Discuss. Dravid happened...who is happy to take us to his good old days of Prasad, Kurvilla, Mohanty and Ganguly. Chakdephatte 1
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