Dispelling the last great Pakistani myth: that they have historically been a better team than India

[MechEng]

@BlueBlood is a true blood fairweather fan 

[Dil Dil India]

3 hours ago, Vilander said:

lol  how long have you been posting here hehe 

 

stats are facts Pak beat india in more odi ganes than the other way, facts don’t care abt your emotions. 
 

 

I joined in 2013...the year India won their 2nd Champions Trophy spanking your boys on the way.

 

It is indeed a fact that Pak won more ODIs. This is not in question. Now aapne ghabrana nahi hai, btw peepee walk facts don't care about your feelings dialogue use na kari jaani, wahan bhi <<Argentinian footballer>> gaye the yahan bhi wahi hona hai.

 

Facts:

 

1. Pakistan have won more ODIs than India h2h.

2. India have won the most important ODIs at a much better rate h2h.

3. India have more WCs (biggest prize)

4. India have more CT (second biggest ODI trophy)

5. India have won more Asia Cups.

 

The question is would you swap extra kitply and shaan masala odis for WC matches including semis and additional trophies. The answer if you are honest with yourself...tumhe lollywood aur lyari ki kasam veered...is quite clear.

 

Ab Ben shapiro k dialogues copy karna band kar aur kuch original layi lahore ton.

 

Over and out.

 

[Vilander]

2 hours ago, Dil Dil India said:

I joined in 2013...the year India won their 2nd Champions Trophy spanking your boys on the way.

 

It is indeed a fact that Pak won more ODIs. This is not in question. Now aapne ghabrana nahi hai, btw peepee walk facts don't care about your feelings dialogue use na kari jaani, wahan bhi <<Argentinian footballer>> gaye the yahan bhi wahi hona hai.

 

Facts:

 

1. Pakistan have won more ODIs than India h2h.

2. India have won the most important ODIs at a much better rate h2h.

3. India have more WCs (biggest prize)

4. India have more CT (second biggest ODI trophy)

5. India have won more Asia Cups.

 

The question is would you swap extra kitply and shaan masala odis for WC matches including semis and additional trophies. The answer if you are honest with yourself...tumhe lollywood aur lyari ki kasam veered...is quite clear.

 

Ab Ben shapiro k dialogues copy karna band kar aur kuch original layi lahore ton.

 

Over and out.

 

still facts are that pak leads in odi head to head. Nothing more nothing less. You can post with all drama still does not change that fact.  Facts don’t care about your emotions.
 

Did I say their wins were better or India did not win more In wc etc nope. They have won more odi and test games against India, can’t get around that fact. They have won more, deal with it. 
 

getting triggered everywhere being aggressive with their key boards hehe makes one a loser.

 

and all that you wrote after some English I don’t follow, cheers 

[deathmonger]

7 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

THIS IS BS and you know it.

 

In 2000's it was Vision 2020 and we are yet to even come close to what we should be capable of.

 

In 2050 they will say vision 2080.

 

The medals we are winning right now like PV Sindhu etc. are because of their relatively rich parents spending tons of time and money on their coaching etc.

 

It's not raw natural freak of nature talent like Michael Phelps in swimming. Such talents are lingering in small towns with no hope or long left India for other countries.

Perfect example is cricket itself: Umran Malik is in the prime of his life and most likely has a 5 year career due to his action and raw talent before his pace will drop like all express fast bowlers. He is still not being coached at the highest level to improve his skills. The team wants him to magically perform out of sheer raw potential rather than coaching him and fine tuning his skills for next level performance.

 

The society has not changed one bit since past 20 years. Taiwan, South Korea became first world countries because of their discipline and cultural shift of quality.

 

In India even today there is fear to question authority whether it be jobs, whether it be in politics or even local municipal government.

 

Change occurs when as a society you demand greatness and don't settle for mediocrity.

 

As long as there are new Kohli's, Dhoni's and Sachin's in cricket with demi god status, no other sport will take over.

 

I am telling this as someone who played soccer at the highest levels in school days. The sheer lack of facilities, support, resources and even societal pressure is something that needs a massive cultural shift that will not happen until cricket takes a back seat and other sports are telecasted more, paid more, infrastructure developed etc.

 

I have not seen this happen at all in the last 20 years let alone last 5 years. So yes, it's fine to patriotic but "potential for greatness" is not the same as reality.

 

 

Man, I am quoting facts and real figures and you are going on intangibles.

 

Fact is Indian gdp has grown at a rate of 6.75% over the last 30 years. Even if india grows at 5% over the next 30 years, we reach middle income status similar to turkey or Russia - not something unexpected considering how sound indias economic fundamentals are.

 

what do you mean there is no change in the last 20 years. Check every sporting metric - we are better. In Sydney we won a lone bronze, this time 7 medals including a gold and 2 silvers.

 

India now medals at every badminton and wrestling championship (bronzes mostly but earlier even that wasn’t there) and junior groups are even better. Our hockey team is so much better than the 2000s. In cricket we have the highest w/l ratio in all formats in the last decade. Our women athletes are so much better.

 

Thing is as India grows richer, the people with “relatively rich parents” will also grow. And this will percolate to the talents in small towns as well.

 

Look at the cricket team. Back in the day everyone was from Delhi and Mumbai and look now.

 

thing is it might look difficult on the ground level but statistics etc don’t lie. Taiwan and South Korea too were poor and sucked in sports when they were our level. You talk about authority. Those places were dictatorships until the early 90s. Mindset change follows economic prosperity, not the other way around.

[Dil Dil India]

11 hours ago, Vilander said:

still facts are that pak leads in odi head to head. Nothing more nothing less. You can post with all drama still does not change that fact.  Facts don’t care about your emotions.
 

Did I say their wins were better or India did not win more In wc etc nope. They have won more odi and test games against India, can’t get around that fact. They have won more, deal with it. 
 

getting triggered everywhere being aggressive with their key boards hehe makes one a loser.

 

and all that you wrote after some English I don’t follow, cheers 

Hahahaha it is clear to see who the loser is, I know exactly who you are from peepee. Facts dont care about your feelings => come back when Dabur Hazam helps Pakistan match India's WC or even ICC trophy count. Over and out, paindoo logic.

[Norman]

India has more World cups and Champions Trophies than Pakistan. And also held the Test No.1 ranking for the longer duration. 

 

So how is Pakistan a better side "historically"? 

[Vilander]

3 hours ago, Dil Dil India said:

Hahahaha it is clear to see who the loser is, I know exactly who you are from peepee. Facts dont care about your feelings => come back when Dabur Hazam helps Pakistan match India's WC or even ICC trophy count. Over and out, paindoo logic.

Still no answers simple stat 

 

Pak won more odi and tests in head to head stats against India. 
 

#Fact 

 

now go cook in it ;)

[Dil Dil India]

1 hour ago, Vilander said:

Still no answers simple stat 

 

Pak won more odi and tests in head to head stats against India. 
 

#Fact 

 

now go cook in it ;)

Jeez tech bro you lahori painful are dense. It is indeed a fact that Pak have won more ODIs and tests h2h against India....point of this thread before you expectedly came up with your lahori logic was that if this fact was more important than the fact that India have destroyed Pak hth where it mattered most in addition to more WCs, test series wins in more countries, more Asia Cups and more CTs. 

 

Expected better from a burger lahori.

[the don]

The ODI and Test head to head is a lie . India is a historically great team with a worse winning record than even Srilanka but thats all a lie.Lets celebrate utter mediocrity with an insecure thread.

[Vilander]

55 minutes ago, Dil Dil India said:

@Vilanderburger cook in this while I come on peepee to make you peepee. #fact

 

Pee cook etc Is that you hitting on me? What does that even mean. Rhetorical I don't want to know, but no thanks I am hetero sorry. 

[Vilander]

3 minutes ago, the don said:

The ODI and Test head to head is a lie . India is a historically great team with a worse winning record than even Srilanka but thats all a lie.Lets celebrate utter mediocrity with an insecure thread.

 

Gotta agree on this one with you. It's a stat and can't help but wonder what is the insecurity around it pak won more odi and tests against India , pretty much the same as the I am loosing Count what 15 -1 in CWC and T20WC where you guys were panned. 

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, Dil Dil India said:

Jeez tech bro you lahori painful are dense. It is indeed a fact that Pak have won more ODIs and tests h2h against India....point of this thread before you expectedly came up with your lahori logic was that if this fact was more important than the fact that India have destroyed Pak hth where it mattered most in addition to more WCs, test series wins in more countries, more Asia Cups and more CTs. 

 

Expected better from a burger lahori.

 

You are either my bro or you are hitting on me make a decision first, and more importantly decide on what you want to type after that make a sentence and type.  Your post makes no sense to me. 

So head to head is a fact good now you are understanding. India beat pak more in wc yup thats a fact too. Now where did I say either of this is more important? I haven't its all in your head. 

 

Edited November 1, 2022 by Vilander

[Norman]

25 minutes ago, the don said:

The ODI and Test head to head is a lie . India is a historically great team with a worse winning record than even Srilanka but thats all a lie.Lets celebrate utter mediocrity with an insecure thread.

 

Thread is not about head to head record though is it? 

 

I know it hurts you but it is what it is. India has a significantly superior cricketing history and achievements than Pakistan. Simple plain fact. 

 

India has won more world cups, more ICC trophies, more test maces, more Asia cups etc etc... and let us not even compare the U19 and Women's teams, it will get even more embarrassing for you guys. 

[Norman]

It's weird because Paxtanis are the first ones to discard "useless bilateral" achievements of the Indian team in the last decade saying we fail when it matters the most but at the same time cling onto the same useless bilateral head to head record to come to such weird conclusions that they're a historically better side. 

[Dil Dil India]

@the don @Vilander one is a burger and the other not but both are lahori paindoos quite clearly. They have nothing to say at all in response to the OP and simply derailing the thread. Should have at least got some greenbros from Karachi...more sensible than these paindoos.

[Vilander]

On 10/30/2022 at 2:09 AM, Gollum said:

Shouldn't draw equivalence of Pak hockey team with their cricket team. No unfair methods employed by them in hockey, just pure skills, artistry, athleticism, poetry in motion. 

 

Shahbaz Ahmed Sr., Hassan Sardar, both GOATs, both greater than any cricketer produced by Pakistan. 

 

What is happening here is this. 

 

First some malcontent in pakistani forum mouths off and these Indian savior keyboard warriors fight there and then bring the filth here. Lol getting aggressive and shooting all over the place , questioning every players skill which were bonafied great according to pundits etc. What is the harm is accepting a sport teams achievement?. This is not a illogical jingo forum. Call out fake narratives like harsh thakur for sure but be sane.

[the don]

I love how insecure men use “wHEN iT mATters” to feel good about their minnowesque record, something teams like Australia, Westindies would never do.

 

Pakistan defeating India in the only global ODI final the two teams have played did not matter, as if any India, Pak game is inconsequential, lol. 
Tell me with a straight face that Miandad smacking Chetan Sharma for a last ball six did not matter. It scarred India.

Now carry on with the insecurity and present the ordinary Indian record as you wish.

[Norman]

11 minutes ago, the don said:

I love how insecure men use “wHEN iT mATters” to feel good about their minnowesque record, something teams like Australia, Westindies would never do.

 

Pakistan defeating India in the only global ODI final the two teams have played did not matter, as if any India, Pak game is inconsequential, lol. 
Tell me with a straight face that Miandad smacking Chetan Sharma for a last ball six did not matter. It scarred India.

Now carry on with the insecurity and present the ordinary Indian record as you wish.

 

What insecurity? What ordinary Indian record? 

 

Having more than double the major titles than you guys is ordinary? Keep sucking on thay coca cola cup final six and some mythical "scarrings"... It's not gonna change a thing. 

 

 

India (12 ICC+ACC titles) and Sri Lanka (9 titles) are both historically been better cricket teams than self proclaimed most tailunted nation. 

 

[Dil Dil India]

55 minutes ago, the don said:

I love how insecure men use “wHEN iT mATters” to feel good about their minnowesque record, something teams like Australia, Westindies would never do.

 

Pakistan defeating India in the only global ODI final the two teams have played did not matter, as if any India, Pak game is inconsequential, lol. 
Tell me with a straight face that Miandad smacking Chetan Sharma for a last ball six did not matter. It scarred India.

Now carry on with the insecurity and present the ordinary Indian record as you wish.

Hahahahahaha before 2017 Pak fans didn't even care about CT as India had 2 CTs (including a dismantling of Pak with chucker Ajmal in 2013) and Pak had 0.

 

You are using your lahori logic again, please get some backup from Karachi or Islamabad as Pindi and Lahori logic is the worst.

 

Nobody is saying those games didn't matter. Every game matters including Dabur Azam stat padding vs Magala and Blizzard. However certain games are more important than others. If you think Kitply Cup and Coca Cola Cup are better than WC QF 1996 or WC semi 2011 then sure.

 

Facts: India have won more WCs. Biggest prize in sport. India have won more CTs (same thing that you mention unashamedly in your previous post) and more Asia Cups.

 

Your argument is like saying Andy Roddick is better than Djokovic (google both of them if you have Internet in Lahore).

[kruiser]

HISTORICALLY speaking.....

 

 

... they were India!