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11 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

He is limited against hard lengths, but still someone who start looking for runs from ball 1, can attack spinners and full length deliveries.
Him and SKY are the only 2 guys who can play at high SR from start without taking many balls to get set.
That being said, we need to start grooming other Pandya's from domestics post this WC, I have a feeling his back may give up anytime now.

 

135 is high SR for middle order batsman?

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50 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

135 is high SR for middle order batsman?

 

Based on your parameters - 5+ teams in the MO

 

Irfan 131

MSD 130

Yuvi 125

Raina 120

Pant 113

Jadeja 103

DK 92

(PS Kohli 53 - did not bat regularly in MO but for reference)

 

The above covers the peak of many of the players while Sir Don has just started his journey towards his peak with him now focusing more on his batting … Old stats are like posting for ODI 100s of Sachin b/w 1989 to 1993 period (Got his first one in the SInger Trophy in SL in 1994 if my memory serves right)

 

For players like him, Pant, etc., their best #s are yet to come  

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10 hours ago, zen said:

 

Based on your parameters - 5+ teams in the MO

 

Irfan 131

MSD 130

Yuvi 125

Raina 120

Pant 113

Jadeja 103

DK 92

(PS Kohli 53 - did not bat regularly in MO but for reference)

 

The above covers the peak of many of the players while Sir Don has just started his journey towards his peak with him now focusing more on his batting … Old stats are like posting for ODI 100s of Sachin b/w 1989 to 1993 period (Got his first one in the SInger Trophy in SL in 1994 if my memory serves right)

 

For players like him, Pant, etc., their best #s are yet to come  

 

If you believe the hype on ICF, you would feel that Pandya is some extraordinary exceptional hitter.

 

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In reality he is not better than tuk tuks like Dhoni and Misbah who started playing T20Is a decade ago.

 

At lease they averaged in 30s. Pandya averages 15 with low SR.

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22 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

If you believe the hype on ICF, you would feel that Pandya is some extraordinary exceptional hitter.

 

In reality he is not better than tuk tuks like Dhoni and Misbah who started playing T20Is a decade ago.

 

At lease they averaged in 30s. Pandya averages 15 with low SR.

 

First of all, MO = 4-7 

 

Second, the answer is already provided in the post that you quoted - "The above covers the peak of many of the players while Sir Don has just started his journey towards his peak with him now focusing more on his batting … Old stats are like posting for ODI 100s of Sachin b/w 1989 to 1993 period (Got his first one in the SInger Trophy in SL in 1994 if my memory serves right)

 

For players like him, Pant, etc., their best #s are yet to come" 

 

Third, watch cricket, see how a player is shaping up ... The world of cricket is more than your random selection of stats 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, zen said:

 

First of all, MO = 4-7 

 

Second, the answer is already provided in the post that you quoted - "The above covers the peak of many of the players while Sir Don has just started his journey towards his peak with him now focusing more on his batting … Old stats are like posting for ODI 100s of Sachin b/w 1989 to 1993 period (Got his first one in the SInger Trophy in SL in 1994 if my memory serves right)

 

For players like him, Pant, etc., their best #s are yet to come" 

 

Third, watch cricket, see how a player is shaping up ... The world of cricket is more than your random selection of stats 

 

 

 

6 years of cricket is just the start.

 

Dhoni played 9 years of cricket T20I, Misbah 3 years, but 6 years of Pandya is just the start.

 

Keep the hype up.

 

 

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11 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

135 is high SR for middle order batsman?

Not a high SR, but isn't too low either.
If we have better alternatives, then I have no issues with him getting replaced...but I hardly see any lower order hitters in domestics.
Shahrukh Khan, Rahul Tewatia,DK are the only few hitters I can recall...otherwise all the heavy lifitng are done by foreign quota players even in IPL. All our players like to bat in top 4 and that's all.
Pandya also gives a balance with the bowl, closest to the genuine pace bowling allrounder we have at the moment (other like Shivam Dube, Venkatesh Iyer, Raj Bawa etc are either limited in one department or too raw).

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Just now, singhvivek141 said:

Not a high SR, but isn't too low either.
If we have better alternatives, then I have no issues with him getting replaced...but I hardly see any lower order hitters in domestics.
Shahrukh Khan, Rahul Tewatia,DK are the only few hitters I can recall...otherwise all the heavy lifitng are done by foreign quota players even in IPL. All our players like to bat in top 4 and that's all.
Pandya also gives a balance with the bowl, closest to the genuine pace bowling allrounder we have at the moment (other like Shivam Dube, Venkatesh Iyer, Raj Bawa etc are either limited in one department or too raw).

 

SR comparable to Dhoni and MIsbah isn't low for a batsman who bats mainly at #5 and #6.

 

What's low for those batting positions? SR of 100?

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6 minutes ago, Norman said:

Don't care about all these stats.

 

He's the least of our many concerns now. In fact, one of the most important members of our white ball teams and walks into the side in any conditions. Move on. 

 

 

 

 

Is he our biggest concern? No

 

Is his batting excessively hyped and overrated on ICF. Yes

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2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

6 years of cricket is just the start.

 

Dhoni played 9 years of cricket T20I, Misbah 3 years, but 6 years of Pandya is just the start.

 

Keep the hype up.

 

 


Yes, it is just a start unless you think every career is equal and every player starts in a similar fashion (look at Sobers stats in his first 3-4 years)

 

A player is judged based on a variety of formats and tournaments including IPL. A player is judged as a package which includes bowling and fielding, besides batting. 

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Question on Batting - He’s not the mainstay, 4-7 , it’s the top order that is tuk-tuking etc. 

 

Question on Bowling - Heis not the mainstay ,  can’t be the 5th bowler too, at best a 4th pacer and 6th option. It is PP bowlers and death bowlers that are failing to strike.

 

To woh kis khet ki Murli hain? 
 

But, he’s supposed to be the cover-up when TO fails. Let’s look at stats when TO fails and he does reasonably well, like the two matches recently against Pak. Does a cover-up job for bowling when they fail, these days his bowling in Aus is much much better. 
 

Garib logon ka Klusener

 

 

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2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Garib logon ka Klusener


India is a garib country (it is not first world) 

 

If you want to see it that way, Tendulkar can be seen as a garib logon ka Richards 

 

Kapil is garib logon ka whatever 

 

:dontknow:

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1 hour ago, zen said:


India is a garib country (it is not first world) 

 

If you want to see it that way, Tendulkar can be seen as a garib logon ka Richards 

 

Kapil is garib logon ka whatever 

 

:dontknow:

#5 in GDP , Modi hain to mumkin hain ! Tendulakar beat IVAR on stats and impact. Barabar ka takkar hain. You are stretching the debate on your boi 

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2 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

SR comparable to Dhoni and MIsbah isn't low for a batsman who bats mainly at #5 and #6.

 

What's low for those batting positions? SR of 100?

We don't have options, that's the issue.
Pandya covers many bases, finisher + hitter + pace bowling allrounder, we're struggling to cover one base and he's covering 3. Considering that utility he's not as big issue as it's being portrayed.

Also the SR of 135 in 5+ teams tournaments, I checked the stats and it was around 146 before this WC. He wasted balls against Pak and that brought his SR down.

If we have to replace Pandya, we need to find another pace bowling allrounder who can bat in Top 6(which we hardly have).

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28 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

We don't have options, that's the issue.
Pandya covers many bases, finisher + hitter + pace bowling allrounder, we're struggling to cover one base and he's covering 3. Considering that utility he's not as big issue as it's being portrayed.

Also the SR of 135 in 5+ teams tournaments, I checked the stats and it was around 146 before this WC. He wasted balls against Pak and that brought his SR down.

If we have to replace Pandya, we need to find another pace bowling allrounder who can bat in Top 6(which we hardly have).

 

This is not drop Pandya thread. 

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17 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

This is not drop Pandya thread. 

The problem with the team India , it is filled with passengers starting from KL Rahul. So Pandya comes across as a some sort of player.Reality is even after 6 years Pandya is still crappy with his SR and there is nothing great about him. 

 

That is reflection of the talent level of the team and its bench strength.

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