Salute to the Indian armed forces

[bharathh]

They go through hell on a daily basis and politicians bring them a world of pain by trying to either ride on their successes/failures.

 

That said - saw the following and got it confirmed as something that happened in Tawang recently since it was also broadcast in China by their broadcasters.

I hope the issue around Tawang becomes clearer - it just shows how vigilant these folks have to be with inferior infrastructure. Too bombastic at the moment in the media - can't really follow events without someone jumping up and down and not talking facts.

 

 

 

Salute to the Punjabi and Jatt regiment stationed at the borders. This validates what my driver said earlier this year in Ladakh - that the Chinese were very scared of the Punjabis (esp the Sikhs) and Jatts and usually backed off from confrontations with them. 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2022 by bharathh

[Clarke]

to their courage & grit. 

[vayuu1]

2 hours ago, bharathh said:

They go through hell on a daily basis and politicians bring them a world of pain by trying to either ride on their successes/failures.

 

That said - saw the following and got it confirmed as something that happened in Tawang recently since it was also broadcast in China by their broadcasters.

I hope the issue around Tawang becomes clearer - it just shows how vigilant these folks have to be with inferior infrastructure. Too bombastic at the moment in the media - can't really follow events without someone jumping up and down and not talking facts.

 

 

 

Salute to the Punjabi and Jatt regiment stationed at the borders. This validates what my driver said earlier this year in Ladakh - that the Chinese were very scared of the Punjabis (esp the Sikhs) and Jatts and usually backed off from confrontations with them. 

 

 

The full form of jat is JUST Avoid Them and if u mess with whole regiment good luck 

[Lone Wolf]

Sheran di quom Punjabi... ....Han  Chinese fear these Sikh Jat regiments since Boxer rebellions In 1890.  Back then British took Sikh & Jat regiments over there & they scared the f**** outta Hans. 

Recently GOI returned a big bell artifact back to them...  Those dudes brought those back with them. 

Psychological impact is still There. 

[Lone Wolf]

Video has gone viral in Western defense circles...  Reddit blew up literally. 

Expecting Chinese response soon.  They will surely dig up a old video as well. 

 

This time they brought drone cameras with them but just got mauled by IA...  So silence from them so far. 

[LordPrabhzy]

PLA is a fattu army who has not seen real battle ever- yeah they might have the latest weapons but in a agreement of not using live arms they will always get thrashed by IA troops whichever regiment they are from. One on one they will run away

[Lone Wolf]

12 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

PLA is a fattu army who has not seen real battle ever- yeah they might have the latest weapons but in a agreement of not using live arms they will always get thrashed by IA troops whichever regiment they are from. One on one they will run away

These arguments suit on Padosis...  Well Indian army one on one is surely better but PLA performed admirably against US troops back then in Korean war too... 

Mountain battles can be even more unpredictable....  Superior Tech does provides them a edge in actual conflict. 

We always have to rely on bravado & skill of our guys to bridge the gap. 

 

However in these thukai scenarios IA will always provide them Phainta of epic proportions.

[mishra]

21 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

These arguments suit on Padosis...  Well Indian army one on one is surely better but PLA performed admirably against US troops back then in Korean war too... 

Mountain battles can be even more unpredictable....  Superior Tech does provides them a edge in actual conflict. 

We always have to rely on bravado & skill of our guys to bridge the gap. 

 

However in these thukai scenarios IA will always provide them Phainta of epic proportions.

Think time has changed since 1962 when a lot of our soldiers gave their life with just magazines in their pouch.

What we see in the original video is intent by GoI. I remember Jaishankar ji saying that they have given our army freedom to use firepower if needed to protect the territory.

 

I wont be surprised,  if time is right, Our forces may open two front war with China and Pakistan getting back what is ours and get access to strategically important Wakhan corridor. It is next to our border. Hans have to travel 1000s of mile to defend it.

[mishra]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

 

This time they brought drone cameras with them but just got mauled by IA...  So silence from them so far. 

Chinese say they were surprised by the ferocity of attack on them. They thought it was good old days and their will be some pushing and shoving . They did not expect sticks to come out and soldiers in advance waiting to out number them and use the sticks.

[Lone Wolf]

7 minutes ago, mishra said:

Think time has changed since 1962 when a lot of our soldiers gave their life with just magazines in their pouch.

What we see in the original video is intent by GoI. I remember Jaishankar ji saying that they have given our army freedom to use firepower if needed to protect the territory.

 

I wont be surprised,  if time is right, Our forces may open two front war with China and Pakistan getting back what is ours and get access to strategically important Wakhan corridor. It is next to our border. Hans have to travel 1000s of mile to defend it.

Without a dedicated MIC India has no chance in a Two front war.  You need a proficient Military Industrial complex at war footing to deal with two front. 

Even China would be toast if India Japan + Taiwan attack together & they have a functioning MIC to produce weapons at war footing as well. 

Two front would be tough for even superpowers like US & Russia without nukes ofc.  Except US with its power projection & insane MIC & Naval fleet nobody can 100% win a two front war. 

 

Our best case is to flatten Pakistan the nuisance at earliest possible timeframe. 

Ramp up ballistic & cruise missile production as IAF doesn't has the numbers nor quality & spend billions on Indian Navy to keep Chinese at bay always in IOR. 

And in the meantime ask Japanese Navy to keep humongous PLAN busy on its eastern shores while we deal with Pakistan & roll out tanks in Pak Punjab like 1965 but with better planning & execution. 

This is the perfect scenario for us to deal with them. 

Right now GoI is at restraint coz we are good 10-20 years away from even remotely coming close to that capability. 

[mishra]

21 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Without a dedicated MIC India has no chance in a Two front war.  You need a proficient Military Industrial complex at war footing to deal with two front. 

Even China would be toast if India Japan + Taiwan attack together & they have a functioning MIC to produce weapons at war footing as well. 

Two front would be tough for even superpowers like US & Russia without nukes ofc.  Except US with its power projection & insane MIC & Naval fleet nobody can 100% win a two front war. 

 

Our best case is to flatten Pakistan the nuisance at earliest possible timeframe. 

Ramp up ballistic & cruise missile production as IAF doesn't has the numbers nor quality & spend billions on Indian Navy to keep Chinese at bay always in IOR. 

And in the meantime ask Japanese Navy to keep humongous PLAN busy on its eastern shores while we deal with Pakistan & roll out tanks in Pak Punjab like 1965 but with better planning & execution. 

This is the perfect scenario for us to deal with them. 

Right now GoI is at restraint coz we are good 10-20 years away from even remotely coming close to that capability. 

I agree with your post. However Indian diplomacy is completely based on Chanakya Niti which in moder simple terms says.

All your neighbours are pottential enemy and all neighbours neighour are pottential friends as they are pottential enemy to your neighbour. IMO, Taliban ruled Afghanistan should be made aware of this pricipal (Allthough I think they allready know it) and make them achieve their objective which is Unified Afghanistan beyond Durand line. That is how India should play. Thats why timing is absolutely crucial. And that timing is when Afghanis attack Pakistan.

Edited December 14, 2022 by mishra

[Lone Wolf]

4 minutes ago, mishra said:

I agree with your post. However Indian diplomacy is completely based on Chanakya Niti which in moder simple terms says.

All your neighbours are pottential enemy and all neighbours neighour are pottential friends as they are pottential enemy to your neighbour. IMO, Taliban ruled Afghanistan should be made aware of this pricipal (Allthough I think they allready know it) and make them achieve their objective which is Unified Afghanistan beyond Durand line. That is how India should play. Thats why timing is absolutely crucial

We got real unlucky with the neighbourhood...  India could control/dominate 4 of the 6 possible trade routes in IOR due to its geography & nothing pisses China & even US more than this. 

 

Some defense experts have said that Chinese want us to entangle us in that border dispute so that India keeps spending money to ramp up its defensive capabilities at the border while completely ignoring Indian Navy & IOR & China would dominate Indian ocean with its vast fleet in coming years. 

I was so happy when INS Vikrant was Launched by Modi this year..  It was being delayed for so long & Chinese had a real meltdown at a indigenously buit carrier. 

We are falling severely in SSBN & SSN capability & are quite lucky that PLAN is busy in Taiwan & SCS...  But that won't always be the case. 

IOR will ultimately decide who will be the boss of Asia in coming decades. 

[bharathh]

4 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

We got real unlucky with the neighbourhood...  India could control/dominate 4 of the 6 possible trade routes in IOR due to its geography & nothing pisses China & even US more than this. 

 

Some defense experts have said that Chinese want us to entangle us in that border dispute so that India keeps spending money to ramp up its defensive capabilities at the border while completely ignoring Indian Navy & IOR & China would dominate Indian ocean with its vast fleet in coming years. 

I was so happy when INS Vikrant was Launched by Modi this year..  It was being delayed for so long & Chinese had a real meltdown at a indigenously buit carrier. 

We are falling severely in SSBN & SSN capability & are quite lucky that PLAN is busy in Taiwan & SCS...  But that won't always be the case. 

IOR will ultimately decide who will be the boss of Asia in coming decades. 

We didn't get unlucky with the neighbours - we got unlucky with having a wuss like Nehru as our first prime minister who allowed Pak and China to get all the land they could grab and then more wusses who wouldn't do anything for 70+ years to do anything about this. 

 

We are also unlucky that we have idiots who vote for traitors like TMC and AAP in border states. 

[Lone Wolf]

Most promising to see is India is winning Info war this time...  Narrative is being set.  We have learned from padosis finally. 

Chinese have been caught with their pants down.  Doesn't matter it is a year old video but it has gone viral & even Chinese firewall couldn't stop it in the mainland.  Chinese people on Weibo were questioning CCP & their media lol

PLA & CCP's ego must be hurt.   That's how you go one up on them. 

Losing face is a big deal in their culture especially against a country their media calls third world. 

[LordPrabhzy]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

These arguments suit on Padosis...  Well Indian army one on one is surely better but PLA performed admirably against US troops back then in Korean war too... 

Mountain battles can be even more unpredictable....  Superior Tech does provides them a edge in actual conflict. 

We always have to rely on bravado & skill of our guys to bridge the gap. 

 

However in these thukai scenarios IA will always provide them Phainta of epic proportions.

 

Well that's why i said due to the current agreements of not using live ammunition to avoid a full out war.. there is nothing stopping China from raining down cruise missiles at our forward posts is there?

[Lone Wolf]

16 minutes ago, bharathh said:

We didn't get unlucky with the neighbours - we got unlucky with having a wuss like Nehru as our first prime minister who allowed Pak and China to get all the land they could grab and then more wusses who wouldn't do anything for 70+ years to do anything about this. 

 

We are also unlucky that we have idiots who vote for traitors like TMC and AAP in border states. 

Kuch bhi....  India won all its wars with Pakistan.  Smashed China in Sikkim in 1967 under Indira.  1987... Sunderung Chu in Arunachal...  Shocked Denge Xiaoping.  Chinese years later invited Indian general to China Gen Sunderji who led that... 

Aksai Chin was lost in the late 50's & probably as India/British/Dogras never had a physical presence there nor it was accessible to us. 

Nehru secured Goa as well...  (Got overconfident in 1962 as a result) 

Luckily Chinese committed a blunder & retreated from NEFA (Arunachal).  They probably still rue this as they underestimated Indian resolve to keep fighting. 

1965 defended Kashmir...  In thousand years later in our history defeated Enemy in its own home in the West (Punjab).  Pak of 2022 is a pale shadow of what it was in 1965.  

All in all we did well for a newly independent country.   Remember odds were heavily stacked against us in almost every war. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2022 by Lone Wolf

[bharathh]

1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said:

Kuch bhi....  India won all its wars with Pakistan.  Smashed China in Sikkim in 1967 under Indira.  1987... Sunderung Chu in Arunachal...  Shocked Denge Xiaoping.  Chinese years later invited Indian general to China Gen Sunderji who led that... 

Aksai Chin was lost in the late 50's & probably as India/British/Dogras never had a physical presence there nor it was accessible to us. 

Nehru secured Goa as well...  (Got overconfident in 1962 as a result) 

Luckily Chinese committed a blunder & retreated from NEFA (Arunachal).  They probably still rue this as they underestimated Indian resolve to keep fighting. 

1965 defended Kashmir...  In thousand years later in our history defeated Enemy in its own home in the West (Punjab).  Pak of 1965 is a pale shadow of what we see today. 

All in all we did well for a newly independent country.   Remember odds were heavily stacked against us in almost every war. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

India allowed Pak to keep Gilgit Baltistan and PoK. Despite 1965 & 1971 we didn't get those areas back when the people were actually Kashmiri and not so radicalised. 

 

Nehru allowed China to take over Tibet in the 50s and Aksai Chin and did 0 to take these back when we could. 

 

There were barely a few thousand soldiers in Goa for that to be a major strategic victory. Until recently we have constantly been on the backfoot. Revocation of 370 and the accelerated building of infra along the border - not to mention better arms and ammunitions is a recent phenomenon.

[Lone Wolf]

8 minutes ago, bharathh said:

 

India allowed Pak to keep Gilgit Baltistan and PoK. Despite 1965 & 1971 we didn't get those areas back when the people were actually Kashmiri and not so radicalised. 

 

Nehru allowed China to take over Tibet in the 50s and Aksai Chin and did 0 to take these back when we could. 

 

There were barely a few thousand soldiers in Goa for that to be a major strategic victory. Until recently we have constantly been on the backfoot. Revocation of 370 and the accelerated building of infra along the border - not to mention better arms and ammunitions is a recent phenomenon.

Nothing was allowed...  India fought in Kashmir for 2.5 years...  And to secure GB intel was that u cannot dislodge enemy from heights until u invade Punjab & kill supply lines of insurgents.  

Spring of 1950 was given a deadline by British Planners & experts.  Indian generals had not much experience of fighting mountain wars.  We learned a lot about it in Kargil which is a tiny place compared to Gilgit Baltistan with 30+ 10000 ft peaks & passes. 

India had secured most of Kashmir & no one was interested in fighting another 4-5 years in Punjab. 

 

Securing PoK & GB is still dependent on smashing Pakistan in Lahore & Sailkot. 

[beetle]

No other nation could survive and do well with two neighbors like Pakistan and china .

Kudos to us .

[bharathh]

11 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Nothing was allowed...  India fought in Kashmir for 2.5 years...  And to secure GB intel was that u cannot dislodge enemy from heights until u invade Punjab & kill supply lines of insurgents.  

Spring of 1950 was given a deadline by British Planners & experts.  Indian generals had not much experience of fighting mountain wars.  We learned a lot about it in Kargil which is a tiny place compared to Gilgit Baltistan with 30+ 10000 ft peaks & passes. 

India had secured most of Kashmir & no one was interested in fighting another 4-5 years in Punjab. 

 

Securing PoK & GB is still dependent on smashing Pakistan in Lahore & Sailkot. 

 

Not true.. they were allowed to keep it in 1947 (at least PoK which was not as difficult as GB). I don't know if you have any source to substantiate what you say - would love to see one for knowledge's sake if you do. The problem was Nehru who didn't want to upset his dost Sheikh Abdullah and his dreams to become the first Sultan of Kashmir and his ego to act like he wanted peace more than anything else in the world. For the sake of his ego we could not secure Kashmir.  

 

We could have exchanged our territories esp in 1971 when we had 90k Pak soldiers to bargain with. So we def allowed it. 

 

We also allowed China to take over Tibet without a murmur and did 0 in all this time to draw up a definite border with them when we had relatively good relations with them in the 50s. All due to our misfortune with an inept Nehru in almost compete and total power over India.