vvvslaxman Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, putrevus said: It was delibrate but Indian batting talent was so much better than NZ batting talent in that series and their careers. They still should have won that series. Mentally that Indian batting lineup never had kahoonas like Aussies had that is why I never rate that Indian side under Ganguly that high.They were mentally very weak. Batting last was much easier in those tests. Anyone who batted first on day 1 were like lambs to slaughter. Vijy 1
putrevus Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said: Batting last was much easier in those tests. Anyone who batted first on day 1 were like lambs to slaughter. but gulf in quality of those sides in terms of batting talent should have been more than enough for India to win. Indian batting never had spine even though they had talent. The same batting core toured each country multiple times but never could establish any sort of superemacy anywhere even in 2009 when facing the weakest NZ team they almost lost the second test. Most of the times against Australia they lost before they even came to ground Kohli's teams did not have that batting talent so it is somewhat understandable for them to flop..
Vijy Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: Kane vs Kohli in a world event. It is always Kane except under-19 world cup https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-under-19-world-cup-2007-08-288278/india-under-19s-vs-new-zealand-under-19s-semi-final-317005/full-scorecard kane probably enjoys going up against Brat in ICC event. he knows that ind and kohli can be dispensed with easily.
Vijy Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 17 minutes ago, SM2907 said: is the test career of bender rizwan over no, he enjoys bending over and babar enjoys him bent over. he'll be back soon since rizwan has powerful backers. when the selection panel, he'll be back
SM2907 Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 56 minutes ago, Vijy said: no, he enjoys bending over and babar enjoys him bent over. he'll be back soon since rizwan has powerful backers. when the selection panel, he'll be back I enjoy his inshallah mashallah khutba and then losing and getting kicked out. may it long continue Vijy 1
SM2907 Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 NZ look nervous out there. Need atleast 300 plus to give to Pakistan
vvvslaxman Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 Listening to Pakistan/NZ commentary after Australia/SA commentary is like going from Metallica concert to Vennu Mallesh's concert. rollingstoned, Norman and Sgattick10 3
AuxiliA Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 12 hours ago, putrevus said: but gulf in quality of those sides in terms of batting talent should have been more than enough for India to win. Indian batting never had spine even though they had talent. The same batting core toured each country multiple times but never could establish any sort of superemacy anywhere even in 2009 when facing the weakest NZ team they almost lost the second test. Most of the times against Australia they lost before they even came to ground Kohli's teams did not have that batting talent so it is somewhat understandable for them to flop.. Likewise Ganguly didn't have the bowlers and ARs that Kohli had. In tests the bowlers win matches. He also became the captain just after the fixing scandal when the team was at an all time low and BCCI wasn't as powerful as it is now. Despite that Ganguly's team gave the biggest challenge to the GOAT Aussie side both home and away. Drew in England, won in Pakistan against a fairly strong team. We could have also won the 2003-04 Aussie series if we had just one bowler like Bumrah. Don't forget before Ganguly, India had won just 1 away test match(that too vs a weak SL) in 15 long years(1986-01)!!
SM2907 Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 masala - Only one NZ wicket fallen till now. Either side needs a miracle to win
SM2907 Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 NZ can happily play for a draw but they can be generous and push for a contest.
speedracer Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 52 minutes ago, AuxiliA said: Likewise Ganguly didn't have the bowlers and ARs that Kohli had. In tests the bowlers win matches. He also became the captain just after the fixing scandal when the team was at an all time low and BCCI wasn't as powerful as it is now. Despite that Ganguly's team gave the biggest challenge to the GOAT Aussie side both home and away. Drew in England, won in Pakistan against a fairly strong team. We could have also won the 2003-04 Aussie series if we had just one bowler like Bumrah. Don't forget before Ganguly, India had won just 1 away test match(that too vs a weak SL) in 15 long years(1986-01)!! That aussie great side of 2000-2006 is not much better than the post 2018 aussie side at home. This aussie side has even better bowling overall.
AuxiliA Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 Just now, speedracer said: That aussie great side of 2000-2006 is not much better than the post 2018 aussie side at home. This aussie side has even better bowling overall. Well the 2000 Aus side had an insane batting lineup from top to bottom. They had Gilchrist at no 7! I do agree that the current Aussie side has a better pace attack overall but it does not have a spinner of the calibre of Warne. speedracer 1
speedracer Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, AuxiliA said: Well the 2000 Aus side had an insane batting lineup from top to bottom. They had Gilchrist at no 7! I do agree that the current Aussie side has a better pace attack overall but it does not have a spinner of the calibre of Warne. Smith is equal to 2 players tbh Labu is as good as Martyn etc Warner is a bigger home bully than Hayden Head is looking good Khawaja is no slouch.
AuxiliA Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, speedracer said: Smith is equal to 2 players tbh Labu is as good as Martyn etc Warner is a bigger home bully than Hayden Head is looking good Khawaja is no slouch. Naa bhai. I used to hate the 2000 Aussie with passion but will admit they where class apart in batting. Smith is only marginally better than Ponting (not x2). Even Ponting averaged close to 60 in his prime and was more attacking. Hayden was overall a better opener than Warner because of his overseas performances. Khawaja is decent but Langer was better and his career was twice as long as Khawaja's. Head doesn't come close to Steve Waugh who batted at no 5 or 6 with Gilchrist still to come at no 7. Only Labuschagne is better than his 00s conterparts (Damein Martyn, Mark Waugh) but he still has long way to go in his career. rollingstoned and speedracer 2
Lone Wolf Posted January 5, 2023 Author Posted January 5, 2023 NZ look like are scared now... They don't wanna lose & might shut shop completely. speedracer 1
SM2907 Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 NZ looking more vulnerable. I think Mitchell may not bat as well. Pakistan can push for a win
Kohlifan Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 But with Pakistan, We cant be sure that they will win. They can Loose from any situation.
SM2907 Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 In a way it is good that NZ gets all out. That will push towards a result nitinbwj 1
nitinbwj Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 NZ is such a mediocre side. KW is a bore. They will play for draw every time. putrevus 1
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