Virat Kohli to take break from T20Is, aims to focus on ODIs and Test

[eulbninem]

12 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Pretty much all of them sucked last 3 years. Kohli did not have a single good year after 2019.

 

 

This is why i love stats. Can have your opinions but can't have your own facts. Iyer will do well in the future. 

[vvvslaxman]

 

[Moochad]

He wont play T20s until the next WT20 and then he will walk into the side 

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, Moochad said:

He wont play T20s until the next WT20 and then he will walk into the side 

and then do the same in 2026 WT20

[Adamant]

On 12/27/2022 at 6:48 PM, Vijy said:

so... he wants to step back from the only format where he has done decently in recent times, and focus more on his worst format (tests)

Yes , isn't that the logical thing to do.
Focus more on your weaknesses to return back?

[Vijy]

5 hours ago, Adamant said:

Yes , isn't that the logical thing to do.
Focus more on your weaknesses to return back?

no, the best policy is to maximize one's strengths (more so than minimizing one's weaknesses) because the payoff is higher. there are publications in game theory, etc. that demonstrate this.

[R!TTER]

On 12/28/2022 at 3:31 PM, express bowling said:

There are lots of people who are prepared to accept 0 performances from their favourite superstars as long as they get to see their faces in matches. 

Or they could be paid shills used to spread Brat/sponsors' propaganda on SM, admittedly the one "false king" also has his share on brain dead legion of fans but I think they're dwindling quite appreciably!

[Adamant]

3 hours ago, Vijy said:

no, the best policy is to maximize one's strengths (more so than minimizing one's weaknesses) because the payoff is higher. there are publications in game theory, etc. that demonstrate this.

The thing which I said above holds true for legends and highly successful persons. 

 

This theory of compromise is good only for people with limited abilities and low confidence. 

[Vijy]

11 hours ago, Adamant said:

The thing which I said above holds true for legends and highly successful persons. 

 

This theory of compromise is good only for people with limited abilities and low confidence. 

kohli currently fulfills both criteria in tests [let me repeat: in tests; not talking about t20s here]

 

low confidence: getting out to anodyne spinners, getting out fishing at innocuous balls outside off, getting into a rut and tuk-tuking, hesitant movement in the crease

limited abilities: slowed reflexes, inability to put bad balls away for 4, over dependence on front foot

 

I could go on, but I can't convince the bhakts any more than they can convince me that kohli is "highly successful" right now.

Edited January 1, 2023 by Vijy

[speedracer]

On 1/1/2023 at 1:19 PM, Vijy said:

kohli currently fulfills both criteria in tests [let me repeat: in tests; not talking about t20s here]

 

low confidence: getting out to anodyne spinners, getting out fishing at innocuous balls outside off, getting into a rut and tuk-tuking, hesitant movement in the crease

limited abilities: slowed reflexes, inability to put bad balls away for 4, over dependence on front foot

 

I could go on, but I can't convince the bhakts any more than they can convince me that kohli is "highly successful" right now.

Key word. Legends and successful players  apparently deserve to keep playing till they decide to quit themselves irrespective of their performances. 

 

Welcome to India. This is the typical Indian fanbot behaviour. Not everybody can be like us. For example, I am a Big bumrah and umran fan. I wouldn't hesitate whatsoever to advocate for them to be dropped if they underperform. Be a fan but not a fanboy.

[Adamant]

5 hours ago, speedracer said:

Key word. Legends and successful players  apparently deserve to keep playing till they decide to quit themselves irrespective of their performances. 

 

Welcome to India. This is the typical Indian fanbot behaviour. Not everybody can be like us. For example, I am a Big bumrah and umran fan. I wouldn't hesitate whatsoever to advocate for them to be dropped if they underperform. Be a fan but not a fanboy.

I already said that this should be his last chance in tests. 

[express bowling]

7 hours ago, speedracer said:

Key word. Legends and successful players  apparently deserve to keep playing till they decide to quit themselves irrespective of their performances. 

 

Welcome to India. This is the typical Indian fanbot behaviour. Not everybody can be like us. For example, I am a Big bumrah and umran fan. I wouldn't hesitate whatsoever to advocate for them to be dropped if they underperform. Be a fan but not a fanboy.

 

 

Exactly !

 

Bumrah is my all time favourite Indian cricketer. But I recognize the fact that he is grossly underperforming in LOIs in the last 3 years regarding picking wickets at key moments. 

 

If we can find 2 other pacers who can bowl accurate yorkers at pace to cover the death bowling,  I am totally in favour of dropping him in LOIs. 

 

We need to see who are ones who are performing their roles well and not the names involved. 

[speedracer]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Exactly !

 

Bumrah is my all time favourite Indian cricketer. But I recognize the fact that he is grossly underperforming in LOIs in the last 3 years regarding picking wickets at key moments. 

 

If we can find 2 other pacers who can bowl accurate yorkers at pace to cover the death bowling,  I am totally in favour of dropping him in LOIs. 

 

We need to see who are ones who are performing their roles well and not the names involved. 

I already mentioned that bumrah SHOULD NOT BE PICKED FOR BGT. I don't want him rusty. He bowled utter filth in wtc final when he just returned post injury and he literally cost us the game. Everyone else bowled well except him that day. 

 

Do not rush him. 

[express bowling]

35 minutes ago, speedracer said:

I already mentioned that bumrah SHOULD NOT BE PICKED FOR BGT. I don't want him rusty. He bowled utter filth in wtc final when he just returned post injury and he literally cost us the game. Everyone else bowled well except him that day. 

 

Do not rush him. 

 

 

It all depends on Bumrah's fitness and how he looks in the LOIs preceeding BGT.  There were no such games to assess these before the WTC final. 

 

He is usually an amazing test match bowler, irrespective of how he is in LOIs. 

[singhvivek141]

3 hours ago, Adamant said:

I already said that this should be his last chance in tests. 

And what if he score around 240 runs in 4 Tests (8 inns) with 1 100 and 1 50 (or 2-3 50's maybe) ? Should he be dropped or continue to play next series ?
 

[Vijy]

4 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Exactly !

 

Bumrah is my all time favourite Indian cricketer. But I recognize the fact that he is grossly underperforming in LOIs in the last 3 years regarding picking wickets at key moments. 

 

If we can find 2 other pacers who can bowl accurate yorkers at pace to cover the death bowling,  I am totally in favour of dropping him in LOIs. 

 

We need to see who are ones who are performing their roles well and not the names involved. 

yep, he has been s**te in that format. yes, he was badly used (1st change), but other times the fault is his.

[vvvslaxman]

3 years of failing. He has suddenly decided to focus on Tests? No Thanks. Please continue focusing on T20.  We cannot afford to carry a failure like him anymore.

[Vijy]

30 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

3 years of failing. He has suddenly decided to focus on Tests? No Thanks. Please continue focusing on T20.  We cannot afford to carry a failure like him anymore.

ind test team is laden with failures and has-beens

[speedracer]

7 hours ago, Vijy said:

yep, he has been s**te in that format. yes, he was badly used (1st change), but other times the fault is his.

⁰we should look past bumrah in odi

We don't need him. Honestly it's his worst format. Yes I know 6/18 whatever happened but the workload is getting difficult to manage. Let's just have him for tests as he is a great test bowler and he can play select few t20 games and the t20 Wc. I don't think we need him at all for odi. We have plenty of options. Only issue is we need someone to pick them.

[express bowling]

4 hours ago, speedracer said:

⁰we should look past bumrah in odi

We don't need him. Honestly it's his worst format. Yes I know 6/18 whatever happened but the workload is getting difficult to manage. Let's just have him for tests as he is a great test bowler and he can play select few t20 games and the t20 Wc. I don't think we need him at all for odi. We have plenty of options. Only issue is we need someone to pick them.

 

 

Bumrah's main utility in ODIs is his death bowling.

 

Most of our other LOI pacers either lack pace and get hit in bigger matches or lack death bowling skills.