BJP completes 9 years in centre - how have they performed?

[ravishingravi]

I chose very good. I voted for Congress in 2009. And I know the feeling of disillusionment in 2013. It was a moment of helplessness and sheer loss of confidence on political class with scam after scam. It was also a period high security threat with terrorist attacks happening every 3 months or so. If thats the goal post, these 9 years have been very good. 

 

In my view, I don't see BJP years as good or bad. That would be a binary which is avoidable. But I would see it as eye opener for many of my generation who were apolitical and blindly went in a direction without understanding forces at work. Just as Trump unearthed the overarching establishment and mainstream media, just as COVID revealed the sheer lack of first principles and integrity, these years under Modi revealed a lot about India, our own colonized mindset, history before independence, Marxist socialist influence, sheer lack of diverse voices across institutions, compromised media and how toolkits works and forces trying to impose their world view on India. 

 

These 9 years have revealed the fault lines and the battle lines for the future. I will perhaps think about it and write in greater detail about little things. Like, being apprehensive about PM's lack of command on English in international stage. Today we are used to it, in fact we love using Indian language, but at the time in 2013, Tharoor was the benchmark. Sheer lack of identify and self esteem. Today I dare say India is confident of transitioning to Bharat. In few years, it should happen. Long battle ahead. 

Edited June 29, 2023 by ravishingravi

[coffee_rules]

6 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

I chose very good. I voted for Congress in 2009. And I know the feeling of disillusionment in 2013. It was a moment of helplessness and sheer loss of confidence on political class with scam after scam. It was also a period high security threat with terrorist attacks happening every 3 months or so. If thats the goal post, these 9 years have been very good. 

 

In my view, I don't see BJP years as good or bad. That would be a binary which is avoidable. But I would see it as eye opener for many of my generation who were apolitical and blindly went in a direction without understanding forces at work. Just as Trump unearthed the overarching establishment and mainstream media, just as COVID revealed the sheer lack of first principles and integrity, these years under Modi revealed a lot about India, our own colonized mindset, history before independence, Marxist socialist influence, sheer lack of diverse voices across institutions, compromised media and how toolkits works and forces trying to impose their world view on India. 

 

These 9 years have revealed the fault lines and the battle lines for the future. I will perhaps think about it and write in greater detail about little things. Like, being apprehensive about PM's lack of command on English in international stage. Today we are used to it, in fact we love using Indian language, but at the time in 2013, Tharoor was the benchmark. Sheer lack of identify and self esteem. Today I dare say India is confident of transitioning to Bharat. In few years, it should happen. Long battle ahead. 

How could you even think about voting for Congress in 2009 especially after 26/11 and all the RSS ki saahish crap pulled by Diggi. ? That’s the last straw in my books

[someone]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

How could you even think about voting for Congress in 2009 especially after 26/11 and all the RSS ki saahish crap pulled by Diggi. ? That’s the last straw in my books

 

Congress is the default party of India. Gandhi family gave us computers, and so many things. And Rahul Gandhi is the smartest new generation politician. That was 2009, and people brought it.

 

And now 2023, still many people buy it. It's 14 years, and the Congress script hasn't change one bit. Zero innovation.

[someone]

On 6/13/2023 at 9:10 PM, BlueBlood said:

This is why Adani will own the country and anyone who will question him will be called a traitor or Khalistani or anti-National.

 

And brainwashed people like you will eat it up while Adani and Ambani buy palaces in UK and beach towns will you will remain poor or middle class holding them on your shoulders.

 

The monopoly system and abject corruption is worse today than during Congress the only difference is the ones doing the corruption have a very good propaganda mechanism in media.

 

Try going to Telangana for example or Tamil Nadu, you will see a completely different picture of BJP.

 

This is why the education system in India will never be improved. Keep masses uneducated and poor so they are easy to brainwash.

 

The only highly educated state Kerela never supports BJP. Once masses are educated they don't fall for propaganda so easily.

 

Idiot post. Higher educated people are always more likely to vote BJP in the past, present and even future. Education creates more aspiration class, and that's exactly BJP core voters. Aspiration class where one is self-sufficient, independent and a leader on their own.

 

That's been the goal of the government, to make the 2nd & 3rd tier towns connected, and bring development to those neglected regions. That is new India.

[coffee_rules]

UCC lagu honewala hain! 
 

Mantra for 2024?

[bharathh]

Everyone is equal under the law. The travesty!!! 

 

What will happen to pluralism and diversity? 

 

That said let's see how long it takes before the capital is besieged by "farmers" And other andolanjeevis again

[khadekhademaaro]

10 hours ago, bharathh said:

Everyone is equal under the law. The travesty!!! 

 

What will happen to pluralism and diversity? 

 

That said let's see how long it takes before the capital is besieged by "farmers" And other andolanjeevis again

and then how long before the govt pulls back like the farmer laws

[bharathh]

26 minutes ago, khadekhademaaro said:

and then how long before the govt pulls back like the farmer laws

And why would that be a good thing? What do you think about ucc? Forget the political aspects of this. 

 

Do you feel indians should continue to have different civil codes? 

[khadekhademaaro]

7 minutes ago, bharathh said:

And why would that be a good thing? What do you think about ucc? Forget the political aspects of this. 

 

Do you feel indians should continue to have different civil codes? 

where did I say it is good thing. it is a faliure on part of the government if the laws were beneficial to the country

I feel UCC should have been done in the first term

[coffee_rules]

Dumb Khali Brains with support from only two states and UP elections caused the farm laws to be redacted 

[bharathh]

Looks like Adani/Ambani etc. have really done a job on a number of people on this forum!

 

I really understand the term success breeding contempt on ICF. While Adani comes in for a lot of derision and hate, everyone loves to give the politicians - who apparently do nothing but politics to become multi-billionaires on public money - a free pass. Even if we say Adani, Ambani etc. do get political favours - they don't make money from public monies like bureaucrats, politicians, and corporators do. 

 

However, rarely have I seen people go after the Gandhi family, the Vadra family, the Mulayam Singh Yadavs, the Gowdas, the Karunanidhi coterie, the Maran family, the YSR family, etc. 

 

I have never seen this kind of contempt for so-called eminent lawyer-politicians who earn crores representing criminals and anti-social elements such as Chidambaram and fly (also an extortionist and thief), Kapil Sibal, Digvijay Singh, Salman Khurshid, etc. They literally control who gets justice and who doesn't. They can get a case of their choosing in front of the SC over a weekend while the rest of the country must wait decades for a civil case that can be life/death for the litigant to get a hearing. 

 

Unme kya hai jo Ambani/Adani mein nahi hai? 

[diga]

56 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

Who were the ones spitting on doctors and nurses when they were travelling across towns to give vaccines / tests for COVID because some swami said "ayurveda" is better - key for Patanjali brand.

Thats a twist... Thought it was some muslim community which did that and refused to wear masks & refused vaccinations.  Personally know a few Tamils who did not take vaccinations 

[Lone Wolf]

Ambani/Adani hate is bit excessive at times indeed.  I bet Congress govt.  Would pretty offer similar favors to these guys & would in turn get massive funds for their election campaigns pretty much what BJP does. 

And PeeJeP would drag them daily as well for that...  So will their supporters so yeah it goes both ways.  Deal with it

[Nikhil_cric]

3 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

LOL this takes the cake right here.

 

"Everyone is corrupt, why are you hounding my guy, he's just playing the cards dealt to him"

 

The problem here is - the Gandhi family, Vadra, Bajaj, Mittal etc. are Old Money aristocrats that have so much money that they are not greedy to make more and they are not easily bullied by politicians and usually they kept to one major industry.

 

This is why Tata, Bajaj etc. are among the biggest contributors to society in terms of charity etc.

 

The problem is when Adani goes after GVK a very well respected businessman and visionary who built the Mumbai Airport with years of blood. sweat and tears as a dream project of his where he didn't even care if he made a profit. He just raids GVK's sons, daughters and everyone's houses through government and makes their life a living hell.

 

Then has GVK hand him the Mumbai Airport for free (taking over it's debt which funded the government banks) by changing the laws on who can buy critical infrastructure.

 

He did the same with all the ports, remaining airports, cement, infrastructure etc.

 

You know who gets hit the most because of it? The common everyday person:

1) Higher oil/diesel prices (thanks to Ambani owning the petrol business - a complete monopoly). Explain to me how can 2023 petrol prices be more expensive than 2022 prices when Oil prices overall (the same oil bought by Ambani to be refined from the global market for 50% lesser cost compared to 2022).

2) Higher cement, shipping, travel and every other expense - thanks to Adani owning all the supply chain

3) More monopolies means these two can raise prices at will to destroy smaller companies.

4) No small/medium business will succeed if they compete in industries where Ambani and Adani have their foot in (media, money, government and everything is against them). Is this what you want in a democracy?

 

The level of corruption here is unheard of and it's clear which party Adani and Ambani are aligned with.

 

People here are so naive that they really think GVK willingly gave away Mumbai Airport or the infra companies happily handed over Adani their legacy.

 

Of ALL the startups in the tech sector (new money young entrepreneurs), not a single rupee has been given to them as seed capital investment by Adani and Ambani even though they benefit from taxpayer funds. Everything is from foreign investors - the same foreign investors like Saudi Arabia, UAE, USA that the nationalist brand keeps saying is against India and is anti-national.

 

This hypocrisy is so funny, we can make a comedy out of it. But the sad thing is that real every day people are impacted by these policies.

 

This is why I keep my points to myself as it's a waste of time arguing these points as most people will not even care how something impacts them when they get brainwashed against Us vs. Them mentality.

Good points. There are larger issues and stakeholders at play than the "Us vs Them" brigade would like to believe. 

 

The farm laws is something  that is such a toxic issue for reasons I can't fathom.  We are constantly slammed in the WTO by Canada and the United States  for providing subsidies and for distorting global market prices for our produce.

 

They have been pushing for these domestic farm laws for years and then Modi seemed to oblige them. 

 

When the truth is that the developed world spends billions of dollars both directly and indirectly on food subsidies and there are protectionist measures /tariffs to ensure that Western farm produce does not suffer from cheap imports from places like India. 

 

Also, a huge part of India's workforce is in farming even today.  An average Indian farmer gets only $ 50 in subsidies from the government. The average farmer in America gets something like 7200 dollars in subsidies from their government. 

 

The WTO limit on subsidies as a percentage is inherently flawed because it only takes into account the overall output and not how many are actually involved in agriculture sector .

 

Allowing the private sector and especially MNC's would threaten our food security , fragile as it already is, even further . 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

^^Old aristocratic money is good and classy ! Wah! What did I just read? What have Gandi and Vadras given back to society? 

[bharathh]

9 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

LOL this takes the cake right here.

 

"Everyone is corrupt, why are you hounding my guy, he's just playing the cards dealt to him"

 

The problem here is - the Gandhi family, Vadra, Bajaj, Mittal etc. are Old Money aristocrats that have so much money that they are not greedy to make more and they are not easily bullied by politicians and usually they kept to one major industry.

 

This is why Tata, Bajaj etc. are among the biggest contributors to society in terms of charity etc.

 

The problem is when Adani goes after GVK a very well respected businessman and visionary who built the Mumbai Airport with years of blood. sweat and tears as a dream project of his where he didn't even care if he made a profit. He just raids GVK's sons, daughters and everyone's houses through government and makes their life a living hell.

 

Then has GVK hand him the Mumbai Airport for free (taking over it's debt which funded the government banks) by changing the laws on who can buy critical infrastructure.

 

He did the same with all the ports, remaining airports, cement, infrastructure etc.

 

You know who gets hit the most because of it? The common everyday person:

1) Higher oil/diesel prices (thanks to Ambani owning the petrol business - a complete monopoly). Explain to me how can 2023 petrol prices be more expensive than 2022 prices when Oil prices overall (the same oil bought by Ambani to be refined from the global market for 50% lesser cost compared to 2022).

2) Higher cement, shipping, travel and every other expense - thanks to Adani owning all the supply chain

3) More monopolies means these two can raise prices at will to destroy smaller companies.

4) No small/medium business will succeed if they compete in industries where Ambani and Adani have their foot in (media, money, government and everything is against them). Is this what you want in a democracy?

 

The level of corruption here is unheard of and it's clear which party Adani and Ambani are aligned with.

 

People here are so naive that they really think GVK willingly gave away Mumbai Airport or the infra companies happily handed over Adani their legacy.

 

Of ALL the startups in the tech sector (new money young entrepreneurs), not a single rupee has been given to them as seed capital investment by Adani and Ambani even though they benefit from taxpayer funds. Everything is from foreign investors - the same foreign investors like Saudi Arabia, UAE, USA that the nationalist brand keeps saying is against India and is anti-national.

 

This hypocrisy is so funny, we can make a comedy out of it. But the sad thing is that real every day people are impacted by these policies.

 

This is why I keep my points to myself as it's a waste of time arguing these points as most people will not even care how something impacts them when they get brainwashed against Us vs. Them mentality.

 

What did I just read here? 

 

For all the things you said - I am sure you have in depth information about all this. Care to direct how any of these acquisitions happened from verifiable information in the public domain? I am interested in getting people to hand over things to me as well. Would like to read the playbook on this as apparently, it is very easy for people to do. 

 

If you don't, it just reinforces what I said earlier. People just like to malign a few due to their contempt for what they have achieved. 

 

Vadra, Gandhis are old money aristocrats? What? Vadra was a gym boy. How did he achieve his millions suddenly? How does the Gandhi family maintain their lifestyles despite almost 0 known sources of income? What did they do to earn their fortunes? I am yet to hear about the great industrialist Gandhi. Which companies did this family create? Why don't people hound these parasites the way they hound Adani or Ambani. Again, speaking about this doublespeak doesn't make me an Adani man. I don't know what that means. 

 

I also see you have completely ignored all the other political examples I have mentioned. I guess they are also old money. 

 

Old money is best. Always made honourably right? 

[bharathh]

5 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Good points. There are larger issues and stakeholders at play than the "Us vs Them" brigade would like to believe. 

 

The farm laws is something  that is such a toxic issue for reasons I can't fathom.  We are constantly slammed in the WTO by Canada and the United States  for providing subsidies and for distorting global market prices for our produce.

 

They have been pushing for these domestic farm laws for years and then Modi seemed to oblige them. 

 

When the truth is that the developed world spends billions of dollars both directly and indirectly on food subsidies and there are protectionist measures /tariffs to ensure that Western farm produce does not suffer from cheap imports from places like India. 

 

Also, a huge part of India's workforce is in farming even today.  An average Indian farmer gets only $ 50 in subsidies from the government. The average farmer in America gets something like 7200 dollars in subsidies from their government. 

 

The WTO limit on subsidies as a percentage is inherently flawed because it only takes into account the overall output and not how many are actually involved in agriculture sector .

 

Allowing the private sector and especially MNC's would threaten our food security , fragile as it already is, even further . 

 

 

 

Clearly another person that didn't bother to understand the farm laws 

 

Not surprising. 

 

You do know that the farm laws did not do away with MSP. It just gave actual farmers the right to establish deals with anyone of their choosing and not have to go through the local mandis right? 

 

The us vs them is clearly apparent. You don't like this govt so you just say anything even if it an untruth just because the current govt proposed it. 

 

The number of people on this forum that indulge in us vs them but consider themselves morally superior despite being uninformed, wrong and petty is just hilarious. 

 

Anyways this forum wouldn't have appeal if everyone thought the same. So lage raho.

[Austin 3:!6]

4 hours ago, Under_Score said:

Yeah right, the only people who have understood the farm laws are the Bhakt-Mandli of ICF 

 

Enough of these dubious farm laws, they have already been discussed enough in the past thread by @speedheat 

 

Just two points which explain the reality about these laws...... Malicious 'Voice vote' in the parliament to pass the laws & secondly BJP Gormint asking farmers to 'Amend whatever they want' but not repeal them.

 

Why?

 

Probable reason.....BJP ki izzat ka sawaal .....Defiant farmers never trusted these corrupt politicians.

 

They won in the end 

 

Suck it up Bhakts.....this was the first step of the BJP downfall. 

 

Quoting myself from moderation thread

 

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No one is a Bhakt, Jihadi or a Khalistani here and we are all responsible adults who comes here for our love of cricket and to discuss on other interesting topics. Request all to keep the discussion healthy, in right spirit and without name calling.

 

 

Pls don't come running or report posts if you are then being called Khalistani.

[khadekhademaaro]

samajhne waale samajh gaye

Edited July 2, 2023 by khadekhademaaro

[bharathh]

7 hours ago, Under_Score said:

Yeah right, the only people who have understood the farm laws are the Bhakt-Mandli of ICF 

 

Enough of these dubious farm laws, they have already been discussed enough in the past thread by @speedheat 

 

Just two points which explain the reality about these laws...... Malicious 'Voice vote' in the parliament to pass the laws & secondly BJP Gormint asking farmers to 'Amend whatever they want' but not repeal them.

 

Why?

 

Probable reason.....BJP ki izzat ka sawaal .....Defiant farmers never trusted these corrupt politicians.

 

They won in the end 

 

Suck it up Bhakts.....this was the first step of the BJP downfall. 

 

You are welcome to quote from the farm laws to prove me wrong.